You are right, I am still worldly in many ways.
But I dont spread myself, I spread Jesus.
I went to a mosque today.
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You are right, I am still worldly in many ways.
But I dont spread myself, I spread Jesus.
Silent Hunter
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In what way do you think you're not? Keep in mind, your own words have already convicted you.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ok, which words?
Silent Hunter
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Your IQ is less than 100.
:mock: fundamentalist christians
George Affleck
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This is a really good point. How should we find an answer to it?
I think the answer lies in separating religion from patriotism. This may seem difficult, especially in America, but they really are different things.
Is it possible to be a follower of Christ and a terrorist? No.
Is it possible to be a follower of Mohammed and a terrorist? Yes.
Is it possible to be a terrorist and a patriot? No.
ok doser
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no, i was looking for something that i might have said that led you to call me a hypocrite
Silent Hunter
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You don't know? Don't you read what you write?
ok doser
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that's why i'm asking
it's beginning to look like you don't know either :idunno:
Silent Hunter
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It's sad you don't see the correlation and the contradiction.
The American revolution and the Civil War weren't subjects taught at the school(s) you attended? :liberals:
ok doser
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you think soldiers in the revolution were terrorists? :freak:
Silent Hunter
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Although tame be current world standards, you think the Boston Tea Party WASN'T a terrorist act?
ok doser
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it was a destruction of property
are you saying they terrorized the chests of tea? :freak:
Sure it is. Do you need examples? Or will we fall into "no true scotsman"?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
define "terrorist"
and chests of tea don't count
here's what google's got:
| ter·ror·ist ˈterərəst/ noun noun: terrorist; plural noun: terrorists 1. a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. |
It's interesting that you are restricted to argumentative tactics which assume an intellectual superiority, when you are attempting to point out how archaic belief is and simultaneously defend a topic that most educated Atheists agree should be addressed.
Even Individuals like Bill Maher and other secular humanists recognize the issue with Islam.
Chris Hitch, though dead is followed by many atheists of his kind that address the obserdity of squelching realistic discussion about the global danger of Islam.
You claim to be rooted in higher education, but your arguments and discussion are indicative of a simple displeasure with Christianity in general that you seem to be venting towards.
This is important because you are doing the very thing you are claiming believers in Jesus are doing.
Your reply?
Incidentally... your CS Lewis quote doesn't offend me... it is your right to believe what you choose.
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Chair,
Instead of looking to for a specific reaction... why haven't you addressed my posts towards you?
They were far from fundamental... and they spoke from multiple perspectives that have validity.
When a topic is said to be off limits because it is politically incorrect... and the topic involves global threat... it is unwise to discourage discussion.
This isn't a kill em all discussion, but a rationalization that Islam is an issue and discussion of it isn't advocating genocide of a religious nature.
In fact... I distinguished that individuals must be taken into account and Love thy neighbor has been discussed.
Chair... what happens if the IDF shuts down and sends word to hezbollah, Isis and the Taliban?
Why are leaders of these groups Islamic Scholars that graduated from Saudi, Islamic Universities?
Interesting enough... the abolition of Slavery was a portion of the Civil war and religious freedom was a portion of the reason the US was founded. This includes the right to not believe in God.
Do Islamic majority countries favor Athieism?
I disagree with this argument immensely.
Jesus is recorded as being Martyred and teaching peace and Love.
Mohammad is recorded as a war lord that spread his beliefs through deception and violence.
To convey this argument is to ignore the subtext behind the dichotomy that is rapidly apparent through study.
If a green peace activist goes on a whale killing spree... do you say that's so green peace of them?
Apologies for missing this.
I do not deny for a moment that Islam is problematic and has problematic roots. Yet is has had better periods than it has today. And even today there are branches of Islam that are moderate- not just individuals.
The usual thing to do is to interpret holy texts in a new way, to suppress the violence. Like "and eye for an eye", which the Rabbis insisted was not meant to be taken literally.
If you had asked someone a few hundred years ago if there was hope for Christianity- he would likely had said no. It will be violent forever.
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