In other words, Peter and Barnabas were walking contrary to the will of God prompting Paul to rebuke them? Does that not indicate that Christians can still sin after salvation?
I never talk to Jesus or the Holy Spirit
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You couldn't answer my question?
I thank God for making it possible to obey Him flawlessly.
In other words, you can and do still sin after salvation?
God is not looking for anyone to keep the law as some sort of pathway to intimacy with Him. Christians are dead to the law which cannot replace faith for intimacy with God.
glorydaz
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Then you're a liar. And liars are not flawless.
Yes.
Really?
Am I not bringing new revelations to you?
About 1 John 1?
And Romans 7?
You do realize that the "book" John is referencing is the "book" of revelations.
Besides, clarifications of misunderstood scriptures is not "changing" anything.
Those walking in the Spirit are equipt to reject temptations...all the time.
Or do you think Paul was in error when he wrote..."This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." (Gal 5:16)
I know he was right.
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glorydaz
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You're sure taking the round-about way of claiming you're perfect.
You'd best stop while you still can.
Absolutely.
1 Cor 10:13 is testimony of that..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
The "escapes" are there, but I have to both find and use "the way".
"...would"...have done in the past.
Next verse..."18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law."
Gal 5 goes on from there with the deeds of those walking in the flesh.
Ergo, those committing the sin listed in verses 19-21 are NOT led by the Spirit and STILL under the Law.
Where is the sin in obeying what they should have seen as a defunct Law?
Did they do it to rebel against God?
To hurt someone?
No they were just trying to make visitors feel at home...sorta.
I know there is nothing wrong with having a beer, OK?
But when some Jehovah's Witnesses come by with their tracts I am not going to offer them one.
Does that make me a sinner?
Will murderers be allowed into heaven?
No.
So, don't murder anyone !
Make sense?
Our obedience to God is the product of our repentance from sin and rebirth from His own seed.
It isn't a way or pathway for anything.
It is who we are after conversion.
Did Jesus obey His Father flawlessly?
The reborn have the same Father.
We also have the same Spirit in us to help protect and guide us into righteousness, and away from that which can kill the soul.
I, with the bad knees and poor eyes, am perfect.
I won't be judged unworthy of eternal life on the last days for not having 20/20 vision.
And I give all the glory and honor to God, and to the power of the name of Christ Jesus into whom I have been baptized.
If by "prophets" you are referring to preachers of God's word, then yes, you should have prophets. If by "prophets" you mean men who reveal new messages from God that are revelations not revealed in the Bible then those are false prophets today because God has finished giving new revelations to men outside the Bible.
Why would Paul tell Christians to walk in the Spirit if not walking in the Spirit was impossible for sinless born-again believers?
Those who believe Christians are made incapable of sin at conversion make the bulk of the Bible unnecessary for them after they get saved. Consider the sinless Christian's interpretation of the following verses from 2 Timothy 3:
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
A sinless Christian would have to assume verses given to all men for reproof, for correction, and for instruction are not for the reproof of Christians who are sinless and therefore have no need for reproof or correction but are given to Christians to reprove lost people. I do not accept that twisted interpretation.
If every little thing you say, think, and do does not please the Father then you still sin.
We don't go to heaven because we don't murder someone, and we do not lose our salvation because we commit some insignificant sin. Salvation is based upon faith, not works. If we must endure to the end to be saved then enduring is not about never sinning, but about holding onto our faith in spite of sin.
How can it be said Jesus is still guiding us into righteousness after we are saved if we supposedly are immediately incapable of unrighteousness once we have been baptized, having already reached perfection? Paul, on the other hand, had not reached perfection immediately after being baptized.
Phil. 3
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
He tells Christians to keep walking and maintain whatever level of perfection that is achieved as we continue to press on towards the state of perfection before God.
By saying you are already perfect does that mean you have attained perfection already, while Paul had not?
Phil. 3
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.