John Mortimer
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Ok...........well, :wave: anyway!
I lost my faith a while back
- Thread starter Spectrox War
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Ok...........well, :wave: anyway!
Spectrox War
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Just a quickie before bedtime(!).
Your response here presupposes that God actually exists and that God is male. Neither of these can be substantiated IMO. And it WAS faith I had - I held a belief about the Bible and Jesus for a few months. Some might try to dress it up as something else. But as far as I'm concerned, it was faith. I had no doubts initially.
Then I woke up.
Goodnight everyone.
:chuckle: I know the feeling.
No, my faith presupposes that. My criticism of your declaration exists independent of that. It functions whether or not God exists objectively.
By way of example. That you cannot trust and doubt, that they are mutually exclusive terms and that faith is a declaration of trust are not dependent on the object of that faith being actual. And doubt isn't a cold a man catches. It's a willful act, a choice to question that which faith/trust would preclude.
No, it doesn't. That God is described in masculine terms doesn't lead one, reasonably, to consider God as a sexed creature, which is an reflection of creation. Now demonstrate that rationality of yours and make an argument for your declarations when you return.
A sort of faith, but a stunted one. I set out why prior. You reserved your right to judge God, to question His authority and nature. That reservation isn't faith as the Christian should have it. It is more a rough enchantment with a subjective sense of probability.
Rather, I can rationally distinguish it from my own and what I believe is required of someone who would follow Christ. Your reservation was like unto the rich young ruler's wealth. And it cost you the full and redemptive experience of Christ.
Faith doesn't fail. Only the men who lay claim to it do and if they do it makes a statement. And so the argument.
You had a rationally undeniable reservation, a flaw in that faith. It is from that flaw that your apostasy arose.
No. You're still very much asleep. You just heard Christ passing and stirred for a moment.
:e4e:
Well, there went your original theory.
I heard a caller on Dennis Prager's radio program today who had an experience opposite of yours. She was an atheist but then lost her husband suddenly. After her loss, she wanted to know God. It didn't sound like she was a believer but she was open to at least attempting to know him. Maybe someday she will (Deut 4:29).
She admitted that her decisions then and now are based on emotions.
Being that you admit that your decisions may have been made by your mood, I am more included to believe that you will debate honestly here--until you give us reason not to believe you.
Be sure to stop by Satan, Inc. (TOL's heretic's list). :burnlib:
Quincy
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I'm a fan of UK, University of Kentucky Wildcats that is.
What happened?
OK, so I once considered myself a satanist, but my problem was with the people in some churches not Christ or his discipline. Have you ever considered your issue isn't with the spirit or Love, but rather the insane ideals people believe? Which denomination did you belong to?
On what foundation do you base your logical and rational conclusions? I'm under the impression that there is no irrefutable foundation for human understanding so why should we believe your view is better than ours?
That's always a great thing
I hope so :e4e: .
:chuckle: It seemed a promising beginning...but I was deliberate enough. It has a fog index of 8, for Pete's sake. :mmph:
Alexandros
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What did you believe in before these few months?
Yep.
I used to be very religious myself, but I wasn't very serious about God. Now I am very serious about God, but not that religious, if that makes any sense.
Lon
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You can love an idea, like marriage. In fact, before I was married, I loved the idea of it but a marriage takes two.
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▲I do not question you had an experience, I question whether it was a relationship with Him. If one did, they would have a seriously hard time denying He existed.▲
You are talking about Christianity (it) rather than Christ (Him).
zippy2006
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Welcome to the forum Spectrox :wave2:
Many people believe that our government rigged 9/11, that they imploded the buildings for their own purposes. This defies logic and reason yet people still believe it.
And creation does not violate the laws of science. God created the "laws of science" when He created life, the universe and everything. There is no disconnect between science and faith. They are not mutually exclusive.
So anything that violates known laws of science cannot possibly be true? What led you to that conclusion?
GuySmiley
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If there is a God, then the miracles and other tall tales are completely rational.
alwight
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Anything that actually did violate physical norms or laws would be evidence of a "something else" being true, have you got any?
Why should we assume a "something else" anyway without it.
Nobody has said anything about "cannot possibly be true" other than you I suspect.
Life from non-life.
Matter from nothing.
Consciousness, logic and reason.
Emotion, love, hope and justice.
Just to name a few.
It doesn't seem so to me if you think a rock can create itself out of nothing.