Hospital "trying to kill" a Mom They Put Into Coma, Says Cousin

[1PeaceMaker]

I have never in my many years met a *malicious* doctor. Blunt. Yes. Rude. Yes. Incompetent. Yes. Malicious. Not one.

You either won some kind of statistical lottery or you haven't met many. lain:

Dr. F: (annoyed) “Listen, keep going up on the pit, even if she is contracting every 2-3 min. They aren’t strong enough. Keep going up. If we hyperstimulate her, we can just turn the pit down.” (Note: These were his exact words. I know this because I was so flabbergasted that he said it, I wrote it down in my notebook that very moment! The fact is sometimes the baby is in so much distress after hyperstimulating the uterus that just turning the pitocin down isn’t enough! And it really bothers me when doctors start sentences off with “Listen…” Grrrrr.) Me: (jaw dropped, completely dumfounded) If I turn the pit up anymore, I am GUARANTEED to hyperstim her.” Dr. F: “We’ll cross that bridge when we get to it. I’ll be back around 4:00pm.”

http://nursingbirth.com/2009/07/08/“pit-to-distress”-a-disturbing-reality/

Doctors are human.

You just said it, doctors ARE human. Humans are capable of feeling maliciousness.

They take an oath.

Yes, of course Rusha, they take an oath not to feel certain emotions.

There is no good reason to believe that any doctor would set out to intentionally and maliciously harm this patient.

"Any" doctor?

Talking to a family about removing a *brain dead* patient from life support is not malicious.

They didn't "talk about removing her" they TOLD them, they had to say goodbye to her. They expected the family to accept her "fate" and let her die like they wanted her to on Friday, and now, since they won't accept that, unless they move her very quickly, they want pull the plug by "no later than" Tuesday.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

ER's are busy.

http://www.injuryclaimcoach.com/treatment-denial.html

According to EMTALA they can't put a woman out on the streets in extreme pain who cannot walk. The fact that she actually had an acute life-threatening condition will just cement the court's decision.

 

[Jonahdog]

Why would I? In the media you can see a copy of the declaration of brain death. So? Other people have recovered from that same dx.

Why should you make your determination based on the real medical records? If you need someone to explain that to you then you are denser than your posts appear.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Why should you make your determination based on the real medical records? If you need someone to explain that to you then you are denser than your posts appear.

But I can't give medical advice and I don't have to in order to discuss matters of human rights and common sense.

This is just a discussion, an exercise in awareness of what is going on around us.

And perhaps even a moment for the "good Samaritans" of the world.

 

[shagster01]

How can I follow what they say when they don't say?

Would anyone reading this story, I wonder to myself, actually care enough to try and help the family raise the money... So far, less than $500 has been raised.

I won't. It's tragic that this lady died, or will die, but I can't contribute every time that happens. I give money to people who need it on a local level. I live in a town surrounded by poor rural area.

 

[Rusha]

You either won some kind of statistical lottery or you haven't met many. lain:

Oh well, then it MUST be a statistical lottery. Between myself and my children, there have been many doctors, specialists, and even surgeons.

Dr. F: (annoyed) “Listen, keep going up on the pit, even if she is contracting every 2-3 min. They aren’t strong enough. Keep going up. If we hyperstimulate her, we can just turn the pit down.” (Note: These were his exact words. I know this because I was so flabbergasted that he said it, I wrote it down in my notebook that very moment! The fact is sometimes the baby is in so much distress after hyperstimulating the uterus that just turning the pitocin down isn’t enough! And it really bothers me when doctors start sentences off with “Listen…” Grrrrr.) Me: (jaw dropped, completely dumfounded) If I turn the pit up anymore, I am GUARANTEED to hyperstim her.” Dr. F: “We’ll cross that bridge when we get to it. I’ll be back around 4:00pm.”

http://nursingbirth.com/2009/07/08/“pit-to-distress”-a-disturbing-reality/

:chuckle: Considering the fact that I don't consider myself a medical expert who knows more than the medical professionals, physicians don't have to tell me to "LISTEN!"

You just said it, doctors ARE human. Humans are capable of feeling maliciousness.

:freak:

Yes, of course Rusha, they take an oath not to feel certain emotions.

Oh, I see. You wish to have a doctor who is as emotional as you are and blurts things out when they are upset.

Sorry, if you don't understand the meaning of oath.

"Any" doctor?

Of course ... unless one wishes to believe that all medical professionals are part of some evil conspiracy.

They didn't "talk about removing her" they TOLD them, they had to say goodbye to her.

Okay. In that case, they should stick by their stubbornness and miss the opportunity to say goodbye.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

I won't. It's tragic that this lady died, or will die, but I can't contribute every time that happens. I give money to people who need it on a local level. I live in a town surrounded by poor rural area.

... And we are like a safety line to our poor relatives even though we are busy enough already, covering the needs of 7 kids. We can't give to everybody, either, but I wish to raise awareness, just in case some good can be done somehow.

Chances are one of her relatives is reading this. At the least I hope it comforts them that others are moved over them and their plight.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Oh well, then it MUST be a statistical lottery. Between myself and my children, there have been many doctors, specialists, and even surgeons.

Well, sadly, I can't say the same.

Just wondering... are you in a position to speak of being handled as a minority or poor person by medical professionals?

:chuckle: Considering the fact that I don't consider myself a medical expert who knows more than the medical professionals, physicians don't have to tell me to "LISTEN!"

That was an obstetric nurse who knew what she was talking about.

:freak:

Oh, right, doctors aren't capable of maliciousness, misogyny or arrogance. :AMR:

Oh, I see. You wish to have a doctor who is as emotional as you are and blurts things out when they are upset.

No, but that's they way they can be. Arrogant and malicious, like this doctor;

I didn’t wait for him to say anything more, I pushed past them and walked out. As I’m walking down the hall as fast as possible, with Adam screaming scared to death and me shaking like mad, he hollers after me, “You’re going to be sorry for letting Google be your doctor!!!”

Indiana Doctor tells Mom: “Be Compliant! Vaccinate or I’ll Call CPS!”

Sorry, if you don't understand the meaning of oath.

Do they, when they abort?

Of course ... unless one wishes to believe that all medical professionals are part of some evil conspiracy.

It would be equally foolish to think that doctors are never malicious.

The truth is in between the two extremes.

Okay. In that case, they should stick by their stubbornness and miss the opportunity to say goodbye.

Because of course, the doctors must be right this time... even though they've been wildly wrong about her health already....

 

[shagster01]

Chances are one of her relatives is reading this. At the least I hope it comforts them that others are moved over them and their plight.

I bet chances are that one of her relatives aren't reading this. A very very small percentage of the world's population visits this forum.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

I bet chances are that one of her relatives aren't reading this. A very very small percentage of the world's population visits this forum.

It's very searchable and the articles on her story were sparse. Seemingly every time I tried to find out more, this was on Google's first page.

I think it's just another way we see the "small world" phenomena play out. It's not really small but it just so happens that you can bump into stuff or people with otherwise small exposure based on common interests.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

ANAHEIM, Calif. (KABC) --
The family of a pregnant woman, who slipped into a coma after doctors at Anaheim Regional Medical Center allegedly failed to detect she was suffering an ectopic pregnancy, has agreed to take her off life support.

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After meeting with hospital officials, Avila's family was able to bring in their own neurologist who did not detect any brain activity. The family plans to take Avila off of life support on Friday.

http://abc7.com/news/anaheim-mother-of-seven-to-be-taken-off-of-life-support-family-confirms/574848/

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Doctors are not consistent in declaring brain deaths. “Determining Brain Death,” published by the American Association of Critical-Care Nurses in 1999, cited a study demonstrating that only 35% of 165 doctors likely to have to assess brain death could accurately describe the legal standard. Only 42% were consistent in applying their concept of death.

http://www.notdeadyet.org/2014/01/l...ists-preach-fail-to-teach-on-brain-death.html

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Bioethicists were also concerned about how the cases [2 public cases of life support battles] might affect public confidence in the concept of brain death. “A lot of these activities have a public-education element to them, and unfortunately, in this case, the public [is] being miseducated,” Alexander Capron, the University of Southern California professor who directed the committee that crafted the first definition of brain death, told the Los Angeles Times. Caplan worried that the McMath case would encourage other families to “ultimately say, ‘I’d like to take this body home and wait for a miracle.’ That would be a public policy of disrespect for dead bodies.”

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/lights-out-a-new-reckoning-for-brain-death

Since when does this guy define disrespect?

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Adopted in 1981, the Uniform Determination of Death Act states that in order to pronounce brain death, “the entire brain must cease to function, irreversibly.” But the act is silent on how this function is measured (in one study, 65 percent of physicians and nurses couldn’t identify the established criteria for brain death). Most physicians look at the brain stem, which controls heart and lung functions, but not the cortex, which coordinates consciousness.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/books/review/the-undead-by-dick-teresi.html