beloved57
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You teach that sinners Christ died for are lost because they are to sinful!
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Have You Been Crucified With Christ?
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beloved57
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Hey, he believes that Christ death alone could not save whom He died for because they were rebellious sinners!
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Nanja
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Yep, he's prevented from understanding Eph. 4:18 that those Christ died for, even while they were being rebellious sinners and enemies, are counted as righteous before God because their sins were imputed to Christ and not them Rom. 5:10.
beloved57
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Absolutely. Also its an indictment against Christ to believe and teach that He doesn't and cant save sinners who act sinful. To reject Christ is what sinners do, thats what Christ must save them from, like He did saul of tarsus, naturally he hated and rejected the Gospel and Jesus Christ, thats what sinners do !
Nanja
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Right, it makes Christ's death incompetant to save a person based on what the person does.
fishrovmen
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The always changing doctrines of Pateism. First you declare that God sees ALL THINGS in Christ in countless threads; and now you state that only when one believes on Jesus they disappear. At least you are getting closer to truth. See Musterion's post "Which Adam are you in?"
When one believes in Jesus God places them "In Christ" Colossian 3:3. They don't disappear. You are not able to understand spiritual things.
fishrovmen
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Well if God, the Almighty can't see them, then WHO CAN? C'mon Robert, just stop already. Take a few days away from the 'puter and take the advice of Lon to meditate on what you really believe.Your whole argument about why you believe God can't see people is based on the belief that if God saw sinners, He would judge them and condemn them instantly.
But now you are saying that God DOES see sinners unless they believe on His Son.
This completely destroys your theory.
Do you truly, honestly not see the contradiction?
Why is it the word "Gospel" is not in your vocabulary? The only way that any one can be born again is by hearing and believing the Gospel, Galatians 3:2. It appears that you are a fraud.
In the judgment you will either be in Christ or you will be in your old sinful Adamic body.
As soon as God sees you in your old Adamic body you will disappear in a puff of smoke. You fail to understand that God is holy, holy, holy and that wherever and whenever he sees sin he will judge it. The only thing that stands between God's judgment and us is Jesus Christ.
beloved57
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False teaching !
beloved57
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You dont believe the Gospel ,how could you,since you believe sinners Christ died for are still lost!
We are one with Christ (Gal. 2:20), separated (Gal. 6:14), sanctified (Rom. 6:6) and devoted to him (1 Cor. 2:2). When faith is real, :straight: our lives will show transformation (1 Thess. 1:9, 10). No transformation? :turbo: You're a fraud (Mt 7:20). :reals:
You can't do his will. :dizzy: Sinners sin. That's what they do (Ro 8:8). :banana: I don't expect a blind man to see, a deaf man to hear or a reprobate to love. When you allow God to turn on your eyeballs, open your ears and turn your heart from stone to flesh, then, you'll live. That hasn't happened? You're a walking corpse.
Something about Jn 3:16 that is unclear to you? :dizzy: He didn't say part of the world, some of the world. He said--the world. Do a word study on the and world.
You can't do his will. :dizzy: Sinners sin. That's what they do (Ro 8:8). :banana: I don't expect a blind man to see, a deaf man to hear or a reprobate to love. When you allow God to turn on your eyeballs, open your ears and turn your heart from stone to flesh, then, you'll live. That hasn't happened? You're a walking corpse.Is 6:10
You speak only for yourself from and of yourself:
Again, no one receives the Promise until after having done the will of Elohim:
Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
1 Thessalonians 4:1-8
1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
Anyone who despises the above teaching, despises not man, but Elohim.
Mortify your "members" which are upon the earth, (Col 3:5 KJV).
Mortify the deeds of the body, (Rom 8:13 KJV).
This is no doubt the will of Elohim.
And, I can do all things through Messiah who strengthens me, (Phil 4:13).
And, Messiah strengthens me by way of his Testimony.
:yawn: Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).each:
Pitting scripture against scripture is only done for ones own private benefit.
Those who belong to Messiah have crucified the flesh.
The same are (present tense) crucified with Messiah.
It is a daily dying.
beloved57
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The world in Jn 3:16 is the elect, or the Sheep !
Pitting :idunno: Comparing 2 Pet. 1:20, 21