What's the difference? (Hint: there isn't one.)
It is one thing to point out that what somebody is doing is wrong. It is an entirely different thing to say they should be put to death for it.
Those instances have been explained to you, without response from you except to ignore that it was done.
I don't agree with your explanation.
You seriously need to read more carefully. Romans 1 is a great place to start but if you want a more complete biblical treatment of the issue, read Bob Enyart's, "
Nicer Then God"
Sorry, after listening to a lot of Bob's teaching, I do not accept him as my teacher. He is an old testament Christian.
No, it wasn't!
He condemned all sort of evil people, stating explicitly that such deserve death. He states that the governing official does not wield the sword in vain and gave detailed instructions about who to give charity too (i.e. teaching not to give it to those who do no qualify). He wished that Judaizers would "cut themselves off" and commanded believers not to even eat with sexually immoral believers, etc, etc, etc.
Yes, he said things deserved death but he never once called for anybody to be put to death. Instead, he taught them about the forgiveness to be found in Christ.
No, it does not!
It cautions HYPOCRITES not to judge others!
Matthew 7:7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
None the less, the verse does mean that we will be judged by the same measure we use to judge others. Are you so sure of your measure that you are willing to be judged by it?
There is no biblical president for such an attitude. God isn't going to send sin to Hell, He's going to send sinners.
John 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but
he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the crux of the matter and it has nothing to do with our sins. Read that verse again. Those that believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior are not condemned. But those who do not believe in Jesus are already condemned. Nothing abut sin. When you believe, your sins are washed clean by Jesus. That is the Good News of the gospel: Jesus forgives your sins.
This is simply not biblical. First of all the New Covenant has to do with Israel, not the Body of Christ but more directly relevant to the point is that it directly contradicts what Paul teaches about what the role of the law is. It is precisely the condemnation of the law that brings people to Christ! This is what Romans 7 is all about.
I would strongly disagree with this. It is VERY Biblical. Matthew 28:19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. That seems pretty clear direction to me!
Absolutely NO WAY has the church replaced Israel!
Even if it had, nothing of your doctrine as described so far in this post would be consistent even with that doctrine!
Jesus said no one comes to the Father except through Him. Israel no longer plays a part in redemption. I also note that Jesus taught men to love their wives as Christ loves his church. What is Christ's church if it is not those that have accepted His gift of salvation?
The New Covenant is between God and Israel.
Again, not directly relevant to this point here.
I disagree. The New Covenant is between God and those who call His Son their savior.
Only for a time. When the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, God will return to Israel and He will exalt the law and make it honorable.
Once again, this is not really relevant.
Are you thinking that we are advocating that people aught to be under the law in any sort of religious manner? If so, you've severely misunderstood.
We are not saying that homos and murderers and rapist, etc should be executed because of some religious edict or because we want to enact the law of Moses per se. What we are advocating is criminal justice. The death penalty was instituted by God long before Moses, and while the laws can change and what authority God has delegated to human governments might change but justice does not change.
God is Justice. The term derives its meaning from God's own existence and personality. God is not arbitrary and so when He says that someone who is guilty of a particular crime should be put to death, there's a good reason for it. Some of those reason were strictly religious in nature and had to do with maintaining a separation of Israel from their neighbors so as to facilitate the coming of the Messiah in accordance with prophesy and with the promises of God. Most, however, had nothing to do with the Jewish religion per se. It was simply justice.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
Do you believe that God was unjust when He made that command?
I am saying that command became mute when Christ completed the Old Covenant and ushered in the New Covenant with His death on the cross. The Law of Moses, and its proscribed punishments, do not bind those of us under the New Covenant. I do not condone sin, but it is not my charge to punish it, only point it out and show people there is a better way.
Have you made any investigation into whether it was or was not just? Have you made any inquiry at all as to whether such a command makes sense in a civilized society?
Probably not!
It was just under the Old Covenant, under Mosaic Law. But the New Covenant sets a somewhat different standard.
There are people who have and we have more than two thousand years of civilized society that has been based on the Judeo-Christain ethic and this country in particular produced the safest, wealthiest, healthiest and most prosperous civilization the world has ever seen in less than one twentieth of that time and we've spent the last century tearing it down precisely by being far too nice to evil people.
Clete
The problem with legislating morality is that it does not work. All a law can do, any law including God's laws, is point out unacceptable behavior and proscribe a punishment. Take a law against homosexuality. In many Muslim countries have the death penalty for homosexuality. They put a lot of people to death for this. DO they have fewer homosexuals that us? No. They just have many homosexuals that are successfully hiding their homosexuality. Has the law changed their morality? Not even a little bit. Does this matter? Consider that Jesus said that, under the law, a man who looks at a woman with lust in their heart is guilty of adultery. Laws do not change peoples hearts and Jesus is concerned about what is in our hearts.