God is Jesus vs. Jesus is God

[glorydaz]

What in the world are you talking about!

It's above your pay grade, Badger.

 

[glorydaz]

I have never met a Trinitarian who ever told me that.

She makes stuff up.

 

[drbrumley]

Let's just talk about you then.

So you believe that the Father and the Son are the same; good.

I do believe that.

I do not believe Jesus is a created being.

I believe Jesus created the heavens and the earth in 6 days.

I believe Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.

I do not believe that that when Jesus prayed to have this cup pass from him, he was praying to Himself.

Again, “Try to define the Trinity and you’ll lose your mind. Deny it and you’ll lose your soul.”

 

[God's Truth]

I do believe that.

I do not believe Jesus is a created being.

I believe Jesus created the heavens and the earth in 6 days.

I believe Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.

I do not believe that that when Jesus prayed to have this cup pass from him, he was praying to Himself.

Again, “Try to define the Trinity and you’ll lose your mind. Deny it and you’ll lose your soul.”

We have the same beliefs, and what you say is not trinitarian.

 

[God's Truth]

Steko,

What are you giving a thanks to drdumley for saying Jesus prayed to Himself?

You don't believe that.

 

[steko]

Steko,

What are you giving a thanks to drdumley for saying Jesus prayed to Himself?

You don't believe that.

I certainly don't and... he doesn't either.

You need to read what you're reading.

 

[Bright Raven]

Every book?

Can you point out where Jesus is revealed in Esther?

Every book.

Esther offers a picture of Christ interceding for His people. Any more questions?

 

[God's Truth]

I certainly don't and... he doesn't either.

You need to read what you're reading.

Okay, I understand. I do read what I am reading. He said, "..., he was praying to Himself."

He does say though that they are the same. The trinitarians say they are not the same.

You still gave him a thanks for saying something you do not believe.

 

[Jacob]

He is also "I AM" which the Jews at the time knew EXACTLY what Jesus was saying and wanted Him dead for it.

You are incorrect.

It is evening of this evening and morning day, Revi'i, the fourth day of the week, 10-9 the tenth month the ninth day of the month.

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[steko]

Okay, I understand.

He does say though that they are the same. The trinitarians say they are not the same.

Same YHVH, same GOD, same essence, same nature, same glory.
Distinct, different persons.
Diversity within the unity of essence.

 

[God's Truth]

It's above your pay grade, Badger.

I'm glad I don't have people like Steko following me around to give me thanks for calling people names. Even though I wouldn't do that anyways.

 

[God's Truth]

Same YHVH, same GOD, same essence, same nature, same glory.
Distinct, different persons.
Diversity within the unity of essence.

No, the trinitarians say the Father is not the same as the Son.

 

[God's Truth]

Is the Father God, Steko?

Yes or no.

Is the Father speaking in the Old Testament?

 

[drbrumley]

You are incorrect.

Jacob

Then please enlighten me. Where am I wrong?

 

[steko]

No, the trinitarians say the Father is not the same as the Son.

Right, the Father is not the same person as the Son, although they are the same YHVH, GOD, essence, nature, glory.

 

[God's Truth]

Then please enlighten me. Where am I wrong?

You said the Father was speaking in the Old Testament.

Do you stand by that?

 

[God's Truth]

Right, the Father is not the same person as the Son, although they are the same YHVH, GOD, essence, nature, glory.

Essence? Nature? Glory?

You are saying the Father and Son are different Persons but the same God is silly.

The Father IS His Essence, ands is the Son.

 

[glorydaz]

I do not believe that that when Jesus prayed to have this cup pass from him, he was praying to Himself.

Okay, I understand. I do read what I am reading. He said, "..., he was praying to Himself."

LOOK :doh:

ONCE AGAIN.....PROOF of the way God's UNTRUTH LIES and TWISTS the words of others.

BEWARE of this FALSE PROPHET. :down:

 

[steko]

Is the Father God, Steko?

Yes or no.

Yes.

Is the Father speaking in the Old Testament?

YHVH is speaking in the OT.

 

[Jacob]

Then please enlighten me. Where am I wrong?

You are wrong in each step of your sentence.

Shalom.

Jacob