SaulToPaul 2
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4 years of college for me and a Math degree for $1000. Thanks to baseball!
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And a $5 meal per diem after each game.
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4 years of college for me and a Math degree for $1000. Thanks to baseball!
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And a $5 meal per diem after each game.
SaulToPaul 2
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The Berean
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I believe that all athletic scholarships should be discontinued.
It will only apply to private schools not public schools
But it will change everything because unions ruin everything
That covered an McDonald's extra value meal back then.
Why? That has more value than a skilled trade payroll. I would take it, along with a large increase in the stipend.
The ruling says they can unionize, the schools being against people earn livings (except themselves of course) will fight this. So will ESPN. ESPN will do as the drive-bys in the media with sound clips, one side of the story, and quotes out of context.
You will be on the side of the left. I don't think you know what they really want.
I can see it now. The unionized college players will demand no booing, free tattoos, no homework, and no tests.
The Berean
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Get rid of all athletic scholarships and have real college students play college sports like they did originally. I gave up on big time college sports when college after college continued to admit unqualified students simply because they can play football or basketball.
Let them try the NFL.
That certainly happened.
Too much money goes into the schools for that to happen or for me to want it to. And many kids who wouldn't get a chance to get an education are given that AND a chance to better their situation via professional athletics.
In point of fact, for the reasons above and what follows, your disdain is a small price to pay for the opportunities and assistance to academics offered by college athletics as it stands today. Take the money king, football, that pours millions upon millions into supporting non revenue generating sports and purely academic advancements as well.
How does the inarguably most exploitative sport do in terms of graduating its athletes?
The Pac Ten graduated most of their student athletes, with only one school, Cal, below the 50% mark and the top school, Stanford, at 90%.
Big Ten: the lowest, Purdue, was at 59% and the highest, Northwestern, was at 97%.
SEC: no schools below the half mark, with the highest, Vanderbilt, at 85% and the lowest, Arkansas, at 54%.
Big 12: highest is a tie between West Virginia and TCU (79%) with the lowest (and the only one below the 50% mark) Oklahoma at 47%.
ACC: the highest grad rate goes to BC at 94% and the lowest to Georgia Tech and Florida State, tied at 55%.
Big East: Rutgers 91% and South Florida at 53%.
The bottom line is that while it's inarguable that students arrive on campuses who wouldn't otherwise be found there, most of them take advantage of the opportunity to get an education. Students who have the academic chops aren't being muscled out and typically disadvantaged students are afforded a real chance at bettering their lives both by education and the opportunity for career advancement in the sport of their choosing.
The Berean
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College athletics doesn't care about the athletes, only that the make money for the university. College football is the worst at this. Often they bring in unqualified students and keep them eligible by any means necessary as long as they make money for the school. Often these unqualified students are poor African-American kids who are duped into going to these schools. When these poor kids fail in the classroom it only feeds the racist stereotypes that black athletes are "dumb jocks" and are incapable of being real students. Universities already buy into the racist theory that black athletes "superior" athletes and inferior students. Many of these top college football schools have almost complete white student populations yet their football teams are 60%-75% black? The collegiate football system is a modern day plantation system that exploits black athletes disproportionately.
http://www.businessweek.com/article...scandal-unc-fails-its-athletes-whistle-blower
http://www.theatlantic.com/educatio...-colleges-fail-black-football-players/282258/
http://www.businessweek.com/article...s-football-academic-fraud-and-implicit-racism
http://www.businessweek.com/article...scandal-unc-fails-its-athletes-whistle-blower
http://hechingerreport.org/content/black-athletes-must-pick-up-the-ball-on-graduation-rates_14363/
And businesses mostly care about their bottom line, yet you can enrich your life by being a part of one. So their motivation isn't really of any moment, except as a comment on itself.
Often is one of those interesting words. I gave you hard numbers on what is easily the worst offender, that very sport. And the numbers, while lower than general graduations rates, represent the indisputable fact that most athletes are qualified to be there, even though many, disproportionately, come from disadvantaged backgrounds.
Your sentiment, however founded, would deprive them of that chance.
Again, I'm sure that happens, but mostly it doesn't. Mostly they succeed and anyone stupid enough to believe/invest themselves in racist nonsense should sue the school they went to for failing to educate them properly.
Rather, it is a boon to those who might not otherwise have access to higher education. Eliminate that and all you will do is eliminate opportunity. If your concern is exploitation then lobby for some additional measure of funds to be set aside from the billions of generated revenue to help those who do not profit by either education or opportunity in their chosen field of athletics. It shouldn't be difficult given that even in the most naturally exploitative sport most will not require the help.
Purdue has higher academic standards than Penn State and Ohio State. Not to knock those two schools too much. I think that should be considered with these sorts of things.
And we already know about SEC scholar athletes.
If schools really wanted to stop football, they would do as Northwestern and the Ivy league schools. They hold their players academically accountable. But why stop football?
http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2009/12/is-sabans-hairspray-called-polyga-mist/#.Uz-WrZ3z7cc
How can you not like college football. All I had to do was type into google "war eagle Nick Saban", and the jokes just come. TH, you can't be mad over it.
How can you not like college football. All I had to do was type into google "war eagle Nick Saban", and the jokes just come. TH, you can't be mad over it.
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The idea of an Auburn fan who can read is already funny enough.
