Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !

[beloved57]

The World of 2 Cor 5:19 Is Justified !

The World of 2 Cor 5:19 Is Justified !

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The world of 2 Cor 5:19 is a legally Justified World, because of Non Imputation of their Trespasses against them. This is a gracious fact that the false teachers are willfully ignorant of in their quest to deceive, in that they teach that 2 Cor 5:19 means that Christ died for all mankind, or the whole human race without exception.

However one is Legally Justified before God where He imputes not any Legal Guilt or Charges to condemn,and in that God Justifies because Christ dies, Paul's point here Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

This verse indicates Justification before God based upon Non Imputation !

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This verse indicates the why of Non Imputation, for the sins and guilt of the guilty ones were charged to Christ for Him to die in their stead !

By His Reconciling Death He Put away their sins, transgressions, iniquity Dan 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Christ by His Death put away the sins, iniquity and trespasses not of ethnic jews, but of the World f both jew and gentile elect 2 Cor 5:19.

So Non Imputation of sin automatically means Legal Justification as well as Reconciliation. God is Just in the Justification all for whom Christ died, in not laying charges against them !

 

[beloved57]

Dead to the Law by the Body of Christ !

Dead to the Law by the Body of Christ !

Rom 7:4

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Paul did not say " Ye became dead to the Law by your faith in Christ, but by the Body of Christ" which simply means His Death.

This means all for whom Christ died, whom He was Crucified in behalf of, become dead to the Law, meaning its condemnation and curse for sin ! Its because they having been in Union with Him when He died for them, it can be said this Gal 2:20

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. or

Rom 6:6

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Hence the Church, the Body of Christ, every member thereof, was united or in Union with Christ their Head and Surety;and as dying such with Him, they in Him have already [being represented by Him] died the death penalty to the Law of which all their sins deserved; and so every charge against them has been fulfilled and satisfied, and they are absolved from any guilt against them, as though they have never sinned,and stand Justified by His Blood completely,and now God's Justice for them demands that they receive Life; Also being dead to the Law, Justice can never lay charges of sin, condemnation, nor death against them, Because of this being dead to the Law of God by the Body of Christ. Every sinner born into the world, that Christ died for, though born dead in sin and trespasses experientially, each of them are owed a debt of Life for Christ's sake, that is Spiritual Life and Eternal; Not because of anything they did of themselves nor anything good in them, but solely for the Sake of their Head who died for them !

 

[beloved57]

Pre Creation Promise !

Pre Creation Promise !

Now before the World began, before Adam had existence out of the dust, God who could not lie, promised to His Elect [ Chosen in their Head Christ] Eternal Life or Everlasting Life Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Also 1 Jn 5:11-12

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Vs 11 here is premised on the Truth of Titus 1:2

The same is indicated 1 Jn 2:25

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

This refers back to God's Promise in Titus 1:2 ! And it is only these that have been promised and appointed to Eternal Life. Remember Paul said Acts 13:48

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

That is having Eternal Life promised to you and you being ordained to it are one and the same, for God did both the Promising and ordaining.

And notice again those words that denote limitation " as many as" Just like here Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
That means those Gentiles of Acts 13:48 were part of these given Christ here in Jn 17:2, which were all the ones Promised Eternal Life in Titus 1:2 !

In God's Eternal Election of them, their names [persons] were written in the Book of Life, as Members of His Body formed in His Election, and this is allegorically seen in David's Words here Ps 139:16

16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.


And these be they that shall Never Perish but have Eternal Life which was Promised them Before the World Began Jn 3:16; Jn 10:28

 

[beloved57]

Came to seek and to save that which was Lost !

Came to seek and to save that which was Lost !

Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

The Lord Jesus Christ came to seek that which was Lost ! What is or was the That ? What was that which was Lost that Christ came to seek and to save ? It was the Sheepfold of God, the Sheep of God. All of them went astray in Adam Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Jer 50:6

6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

In this case, Adam was the unfaithful shepherd !

This scripture does indicate that God's People / Sheep can be in a Lost state,and it is these that Christ must seek and save for the Glory of the Father. Now though other people may be lost, who are not God's Sheep, His Chosen, Christ did not come to seek and to save them.

Now hear ye Him Matt 15:24

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but, or except unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Now notice that word but. What does it mean ? It means except or only. It means limited or restricted to a specific , and certain people out of mankind, He was not sent to save all mankind without exception, but only the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, which was not limited to ethnic jews See Jn 10:16, but did include gentiles as to the woman He then spake unto.

Jesus was speaking in Matt 15:24 as the Mediator of the New Covenant,and so the House of Israel He means is here Heb 8:6-8,10

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

This is Jesus unfolding the Mystery, that the House of Israel He came to save, is not all ethnic jews, but is an House of Israel composed of Gentiles as well !

Isa 42:6

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

 

[beloved57]

The Gift of God is Eternal Life !

The Gift of God is Eternal Life !

Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Now exactly when was this Eternal Life, the Gift of God given to those whom it was given ? It was given them through Jesus Christ. Again then when was it given ? Now if Eternal Life is an Spiritual Blessing, then it was given them as Spiritual Blessing in the Heavenlies, In Christ Jesus according as He hath Chosen them Him before the foundation of the World Eph 1:3-4

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Eternal Life by Grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the World began 2 Tim 1:9

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Rom 5:21; Titus 3:7; 1 Pet 3:7

Now this is True because our Election in Him, in the Son before the World Began. Now lets look at a verse that Identifies Eternal Life 1 Jn 1:1-3

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us )

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

But pay attention to Vs 2, Jesus Christ the Son is being Identified as that Eternal Life which was with the Father, and that from the beginning. Now it stands to reason, if the Son was that Eternal Life with the Father, and we were Chosen in the Son before the foundation, then we were given Eternal Life in the Son before the world began, and so John goes on to write 1 Jn 5:11-12,20

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Now everyone that was Chosen in the Son before the foundation, are in the Son, and hath the Son, and even more importantly the Son hath them, and He was and is and has been always their Eternal Life, this is God's Testimony !

 

[beloved57]

The Gift of God is Eternal Life ! cont

The Gift of God is Eternal Life ! cont

All those who have been given Eternal Life through Jesus Christ, they all did sustain a spiritual relation to God the Father, remember Jesus said of them all Jn 17:2-6

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.


"Thine they were" and thou gavest them to me !

Which takes us to Jude 1:1

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:


They were loved, and or sanctified / set apart by God the Father, and preserved [kept watch over] in Jesus Christ, then in their Life time they are called ! 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Even before being called in Time by the Gospel to partake experientially of Eternal Life/ Salvation, they have it properly by the Eternal purpose and promise of God Titus 1:2

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

 

[beloved57]

Why Thank God ?

Why Thank God ?

Whenever an inspired writer prefaces his statement by giving Thanks to God, or to the Father, then that means, the following point made was not because of the creature doing something in and of themselves, or the action did not originate with the creature, for instance Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

In other words, the obeying from the Heart that form of Doctrine [Gospel] delivered, that obedience originated from God, in that the obedience was caused by God. This is an Covenant Blessing Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Ones Believing on Christ is the Work of God in them Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Phil 2:13

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Thats why Paul says " But God be Thanked" that you obeyed that form of Doctrine, which is the Doctrine of Christ Jn 1:9 !

So God is to be Thanked for any Gospel Obedience we may perform from the Heart !

 

[beloved57]

Why Thank God ? 2

Why Thank God ? 2

Thank God to be made meet to be partakers of the Inheritance of the Saints in Light. Col 1:12

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Again, remember what was said earlier about an statement prefaced by saying Giving Thanks to God ! This takes creature doing out of the picture and all credit goes to God for what is about to be stated:

which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

The phrase made us meet is the greek word hikanoó: to make sufficient
or I make sufficient, render fit, qualify.

to equip one with adequate power to perform duties of one

It means to make able as here 2 Cor 3:6

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Now if we know anything of Paul's Conversion and being put in the Ministry, it was all by the Power of God. Eph 3:7

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

And so its by the effectual working of His Power that He "which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light"

Now what Inheritance is Paul speaking of here ? Lets look at 1 Pet 1:3-4

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

The Inheritance Paul speaks of and Peter is not earthly, but Heavenly, and it corresponds to the Inheritance that Abraham, the Father of the Faithful looked for Heb 11:8,16

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

And this was an Heavenly Inheritance Vs 16

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Note: This Inheritance Abraham himself would receive Vs 8, which could not have been Earthly Inheritance of the Land, for He would not receive that personally, but his physical seed would. And that it was not the Physical Inheritance that his seed did obtain [in type] .

Just as Abraham and the Heirs of His Time confessed to be Pilgrims and Strangers on the Earth Heb 11:13

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

So also were those who had been begotten again unto an Inheritance reserved in Heaven in Peter 1 Pet 1:4; 2:11

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

1 Pet 2:11

11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

So Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were Saints in Light, and they also had been made meet, and this being made meet is not of our own doing, but solely a work of God, and He is to be Thanked for it !

 

[beloved57]

Believing in God is a Work !

Believing in God is a Work !

Believing in God is a Work , a doing well. We know this to be True by scripture Truth here James 2:19

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The doing well here is the mental assent to monotheism, a believing in or that there is one God. This is called a well doing, or doing well, its an acting uprightly, which all is a work.

Let me explain, the greek word for work is ergon and is defined thusly:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

The word is used here Rom 2:6-7

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Yes, and Believing in God is a well doing ! Well doing, or doing well is another way of saying good works. Well doing is also equivalent to keeping or obeying the Law, James 2:8

8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Believing, Keeping the Law as to Loving thy neighbour as thyself, these are well doings or doing well and therefore good works. So now if we base our Salvation on Believing in Jesus Christ, something we do or did, and because of this of that which we did or will do, God saved us based on what we did, or believed, then congratulations, you base your salvation on your works, on your law keeping, on your well doing, and such thinking is a flat out denial of Salvation by Grace through Faith, and not of works ! Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[beloved57]

How many worlds is it in scripture ?

How many worlds is it in scripture ?

There are primarily Two Worlds presented in scripture, a World that God so Loved and of which Christ died for The World of His Church Eph 5:25,nd there there is a world that God hates and is outside the Love of God which is in Christ Jesus Rom 8:37.

The one world which God loves is reconciled to Him by Christ's Death, and it shall be saved by His Life, which world is described here Jn 3:17

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Now this world is not condemned, but needed to be saved ! This is the World God Loved Vs 16 !

But then there is a World God hates, does not Love in Christ Jesus, and it shall be condemned 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we [Those God Loves] are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Those God Loves, He chastens scripture says as here Heb 12:6-8

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

But this condemned world 1 Cor 11:32 lies in the lap of the wicked one unredeemed 1 Jn 5:19

19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Thats not the World God so Loved Jn 3:16-17 !

The world God Loved is an reconciled World 2 Cor 5:19, a world that God is propitiated for 1 Jn 2:2, and then there is a world that Christ does not intercede for Jn 17:9

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

That World is not the World of Jn 3:16-17 and He refuses to pray for !

Now false teachers will not rightly divide the Truth about these two separate worlds because it would expose their errors and willful lies.

The fact of the matter is this, according to the definition of the word world kosmos, a world is defined as following :

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government

2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3

3) the world, the universe

4) the circle of the earth, the earth

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family

6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ

7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly

a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ

8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)

This would mean that all God's Sheep is a World Jn 10, all the members of Christ's Body the Church is a World, which clearly scripture states that Christ Loved and died for ! Thats the World God Loved ! Not the One Christ refused to Pray for Jn 17:9

 

[beloved57]

How is one made a Believer in Christ ?

How is one made a Believer in Christ ?

Remember what Paul wrote here 1 Cor 15:10

10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

That includes being a believer in Christ. There is a scripture that says we believe by Grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

That word through a prep in greek dia:


) through

a) of place

1) with

2) in

b) of time

1) throughout

2) during

c) of means

1) by

2) by the means of

2) through

a) the ground or reason by which something is or is not done

1) by reason of

2) on account of

3) because of for this reason

4) therefore

5) on this account


Now lets consider Eph 3:7 where the Apostle Paul contributes his becoming a minister, a servant, not by his own freewill. Eph 3:7

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

He was made a minister by Grace by it [Grace] being the effectual working of His Power !

Now understand something, to be made a minister, a servant of Christ, You have to be made a believer, a follower. That word minister is also translated servant here Jn 12:26

26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

In a sense, a believer, servant, or minister are all the same thing. Remember Jesus said Jn 14:12

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Thats His Servants Like Paul, made so by the Grace of God. Paul attributes his whole of becoming a believer and minister of Christ to the Grace of God, both in 1 Cor 15:10 and now in Eph 3:7. Paul was speaking from experience regarding Acts 18:27 believing through Grace .

And Paul's believing was given as a pattern for those who shall believe thereafter 1 Tim 1:16

Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

That pattern being that believing is by the gift of God's Grace which is by means of the effectual working of spiritual power through Jesus Christ, for Grace reigns through Jesus Christ Rom 5:21

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Also that becoming a believer is by the effectual working of God's power and Grace as indicated in Eph 3:7, that same word or working there is the same word used here in Eph 1:19

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Thats the match, these believers believed according to the WORKING of His Mighty Power !

Thats how one is made a believer in Jesus Christ !

 

[Clete]

If God has predestined me to believe in free will then just what am I in rebellion against?

Who am I to fight against God's sovereign decree that I believe strongly in free will?

On what basis could you ever convince me that doing so was even possible, never mind wise or even safe?

Resting in Him,
Clete

 

[beloved57]

clete

If God has predestined me to believe in free will then just what am I in rebellion against?

Do you understand my points in post 491 ? Please go over them with me so I can see you understand them even though you have right to disagree with them !

 

[Clete]

clete



Do you understand my points in post 491 ? Please go over them with me so I can see you understand them even though you have right to disagree with them !

Translation...

"I have no answer!
Please discuss the issue in whatever convoluted way I wish to frame it so that I don't have to think so hard."

b57,

I was responding to the opening post (actually, the first several posts of the thread). I asked the questions I asked because they clearly demonstrate the central flaw in your "thinking", which includes post 491 which makes no more sense than anything else you written for the same reason. I put "thinking" in quotes because what you've presented barely qualifies as such. Any 7 year old thinks more clearly and with far less glaring contradiction than what you've wasted God only knows how many hours typing up for the entire world to see. It must be nearly painful to see that much time and effort ripped to shreds by someone who spent all of three minutes typing three one sentence questions. I can scarcely imagine how vapid must the life of a man be whose most dearly held beliefs are so pathetically devoid of depth, meaning and complexity.

I suppose you believe that God predestined that too!

Resting in Him,
Clete

 

[beloved57]

clete

"

I have no answer!

Likewise !

 

[Clete]

clete

"

Likewise !

On the contrary, my three questions directly answer, not just your posts but your entire theological worldview.

The doctrine you argue in this thread hinges on terms that the rest of your doctrine render meaningless!

Terms like sin, reject, rebel, love, hate, believe, etc.

None of which mean anything in a universe in which every event, including every so called 'sin', has been predestined before time began!

Resting in Him,
Clete

 

[beloved57]

clete

On the contrary

No its not on the contrary ! Its likewise !

 

[Clete]

clete



No its not on the contrary ! Its likewise !

Saying it doesn't make it so.

The facts are these...

* My post destroys your entire theological worldview by demonstrating its inherent self-contradictory nature.

* You have not nor will you make any attempt to answer the questions because even you know that they cannot be answered without you having to cut your nose off to spite your own face.

* The more often you deny it, the more often the thread is sent to the top of the active threads list and the more opportunity I have to simply point out the existence of what is already written here for all to read!

Resting in Him,
Clete

 

[beloved57]

clete

Saying it doesn't make it so.

Saying it does not make it not so !

 

[Clete]

clete



Saying it does not make it not so !

I say that's a double negative.

:dunce: