IMJerusha
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No, Paul said it.
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No, Paul said it.
IMJerusha
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Yes, I have thought about that and Scripture is clear about it. Temptation is still laid before us and we can be tempted away from Yeshua, deceived by HaSatan. No one can take us from Yeshua but we can choose to follow a wrong path.
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When you say that Paul preached for us not to sin, and yet sinned, then you are saying Paul is a hypocrite.
Matthew 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
IMJerusha
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He said he strived, not that he always succeeded and for those times when he didn't, he told us that Yeshua said, "My grace is sufficient."
IMJerusha
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What I'm saying is that Paul was the same as you or me, human beings that make mistakes and can fall prey to temptation. And I'm not stating anything that Paul didn't admit to.
I need to get dinner on for the family. Later, GT et al.
God's Truth
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Paul did not admit to being a sinner. You said it. You said Paul could not stop a sin.
You slander Paul and make him a hypocrite.
Later.
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Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
heir
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I don't.
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It is not perverse to tell people to obey Jesus.
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Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
we are not talking about paul being sinless
there is complete agreement that he was not
we are talking about his inability to stop sinning
If you're talking about his thorn in the flesh, and his prayer that Christ remove it; sin was not what the Apostle Paul was talking about.
2 Corinthians 12:
6. For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
7. And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be
exalted above measure.
8. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ
may rest upon me.
10. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
What was going on was, as a result of the Dispensation of the Mystery committed unto him - "to make all men see what is the fellowship of the Mystery" the revelation of which had so humiliated the Adversary before those "principalities and powers in heavenly places" that the Adversary had personally singled out the poor brother to constantly being pressed beyond sufferings like few; that he throw in the towel, and the Lord was allowing it; given what he was working in Paul for Himself through him that anyway!
2 Corinthians 1:
8. For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
9. But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
10. Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;
This themes is a constant in Romans thru Philemon...
In short, the answers are in the Book - Stay - In - The Book
Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
we are not talking about paul being sinless
there is complete agreement that he was not
we are talking about his inability to stop sinning
If you're talking about his thorn in the flesh, and his prayer that Christ remove it; sin was not what the Apostle Paul was talking about.
2 Corinthians 12:
6. For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
7. And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be
exalted above measure.
8. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ
may rest upon me.
10. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
What was going on was, as a result of the Dispensation of the Mystery committed unto him - "to make all men see what is the fellowship of the Mystery" the revelation of which had so humiliated the Adversary before those "principalities and powers in heavenly places" that the Adversary had personally singled out the poor brother to constantly being pressed beyond sufferings like few; that he throw in the towel, and the Lord was allowing it; given what he was working in Paul for Himself through him that anyway!
2 Corinthians 1:
8. For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
9. But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
10. Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;
This themes is a constant in Romans thru Philemon...
In short, the answers are in the Book - Stay - In - The Book
heir
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What's your excuse for rejecting the gospel that is the power of God to save you?
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
God's Truth
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If someone is a wrongdoer, can they still be saved?
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
heir
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Galatians 1:8-9 KJV
heir
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You are a classic case of failing to rightly divide the gospel of YOUR salvation!
heir
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Amen!
glorydaz
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He says you can do "nothing"......choosing a "wrong path" is something. :juggle:
heir
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Get a KJ Bible, woman!
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
There's not one "unrighteous" in the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 6:11 KJV)!
glorydaz
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
we are not talking about paul being sinless
there is complete agreement that he was not
we are talking about his inability to stop sinning
If you're talking about his thorn in the flesh, and his prayer that Christ remove it; sin was not what the Apostle Paul was talking about.
2 Corinthians 12:
6. For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
7. And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be
exalted above measure.
8. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ
may rest upon me.
10. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
What was going on was, as a result of the Dispensation of the Mystery committed unto him - "to make all men see what is the fellowship of the Mystery" the revelation of which had so humiliated the Adversary before those "principalities and powers in heavenly places" that the Adversary had personally singled out the poor brother to constantly being pressed beyond sufferings like few; that he throw in the towel, and the Lord was allowing it; given what he was working in Paul for Himself through him that anyway!
2 Corinthians 1:
8. For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
9. But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
10. Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;
This themes is a constant in Romans thru Philemon...
In short, the answers are in the Book - Stay - In - The Book
Yep, it's that "sin obsession" that blinds them to the truth in the word. Sad...very sad.
glorydaz
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Paul wasn't the same as you or God's UNtruth. He was a member of the body of Christ. He knew the RISEN Lord and followed Him. You two are still under bondage to the law of commandments. IF you do this, you shall live. IF you do that, you shall not come under judgement. There are a whole lot of those "this and thats" and you guys would have to keep all of them. So sad....you don't and we can see that you don't.
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