ECT For those with eyes to see and ears to hear

[Cross Reference]

. . . <back on ignore> . . .

 

[ZacharyB]

Paul didn't say you had freewill,
he said you were in bondage.

As if we haven't heard enough IDIOCY from you already!

Paul clearly instructed ...
CHOOSE to be slaves of sin ... OR ...
slaves of obedience-righteousness-God,
which leads to holiness and eternal life.
(ref. Romans 6:16-21)

 

[ZacharyB]

I would suggest man's freewill isn't spiritual but of a created origin.

Of course, any idiot understands that.
Free will always has been part and parcel of the God-created human nature.

Does anyone other than el Tottster actually think God forces people to love Him?

God desires that ... people choose to love Him enough to obey Him!

All throughout the entire Scriptures, the KEY is CHOOSING TO OBEY GOD.

 

[Cross Reference]

Here's why:

"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
1 John 1:6-7 (KJV)

Ergo, our sins are not all forgiven if we "choose" to not walk in the Light as He is in the light.

Why not we think about that the next time we partake of the bread and the wine, per Paul's admonition?

 

[ZacharyB]

Freewill doctrine makes the cross totally irrelevant, for all man needs to do is exert his freewill.

The beat goes on and on and on w/o any end.

Haven't you read the multitude of Bible verses,
which are supposed to teach us:
-- man has an utterly fallen sinful nature
-- man is at enmity with God
-- man will always CHOOSE to sin (if left alone)

Note:
Some people are so deceived by Satan (like the Muslims)
that they are into serving a false god.
But, this is all in the flesh, and not in the Spirit.
They have a satanic "spirit of legalism".

 

[Cross Reference]

I perhaps should add this as being part of our responsibility:

If, in ignorance [not willful] say this: ". . . . 'I have no sin', I deceive myself, and the truth is not in me. . . . because I do not know His written word that is might instruct me in righteousness; the ways of the "Living Truth". 1 John 1:8 (KJV)

 

[ZacharyB]

"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
1 John 1:6-7 (KJV)

Ergo, our sins are not all forgiven ...
IF we "choose" to not walk in the Light as He is in the light.

Perhoops, OSASers do not understand what the word "IF" means.

 

[chrysostom]

Here's why:

"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
1 John 1:6-7 (KJV)

Ergo, our sins are not all forgiven if we "choose" to not walk in the Light as He is in the light.

Why not we think about that the next time we partake of the bread and the wine, per Paul's admonition?

amen

 

[Cross Reference]

I perhaps should add this as being part of our responsibility:

If, in ignorance [not willful] say this: ". . . . 'I have no sin', I deceive myself, and the truth is not in me. . . . because I do not know His written word that is might instruct me in righteousness; the ways of the "Living Truth". 1 John 1:8 (KJV)

 

[patrick jane]

Perhoops, OSASers do not understand what the word "IF" means.

You're saved in spite of your sin issue. Nothing you do can change Christ's work on the cross

 

[Cross Reference]

You're saved in spite of your sin issue. Nothing you do can change Christ's work on the cross

We were "redeemed" in spite of our sin issue, not saved. We were saved by grace through OUR faith placed in Jesus Christ for having accomplished redemtption when we could not in any way perform it. Nothing you can persuade yourself to believe outside that "elementary" understanding will neither save nor sustain you.

 

[patrick jane]

We were "redeemed" in spite of our sin issue, not saved. We were saved by grace through OUR faith placed in Jesus Christ for having accomplished redemtption when we could not in any way perform it. Nothing you can persuade yourself to believe outside that "elementary" understanding will neither save nor sustain you.

Obviously we believe. Saved

 

[Cross Reference]

Obviously we believe. Saved

Believe = To trust in and rely upon. . . to live by.

 

[ZacharyB]

We were "redeemed" in spite of our sin issue, not saved. We were saved by grace through OUR faith placed in Jesus Christ for having accomplished redemtption when we could not in any way perform it. Nothing you can persuade yourself to believe outside that "elementary" understanding will neither save nor sustain you.

Butski, I have a whole multitude of NT verses,
which teach us that salvation is a life-long process.

Maybe the best of da bunch is da group of 10 verses,
which is supposed to teach us (many and LOLs) ...
believers must endure in their faith
until the end of their lives to be saved.

 

[ZacharyB]

Believe = To trust in and rely upon. . . to live by.

True saving belief = continuing/enduring
faith-trust-love-obedience-repentance.

Either this, or the NT has many false verses!

The NT has many OSAS and non-OSAS verses!

Believers need to reconcile all of these,
and make some sense out of them!

I have done this >>> see the bold above.

 

[Cross Reference]

True saving belief = continuing/enduring
faith-trust-love-obedience-repentance.

Either this, or the NT has many false verses!

The NT has many OSAS and non-OSAS verses!

Believers need to reconcile all of these,
and make some sense out of them!

I have done this >>> see the bold above.

How many self help books do you own . . just askin'?

 

[Poly]

.
IMO, these points reconcile the NT Scriptures for and against OSAS.
If you would like to see Scriptural proof for anything, please just ask.

• God’s simple invitation to believe the gospel (e.g. John 3:16) is
how He begins to rescue some fishes out of the sea of humanity.
Later, they find out what’s involved and what’s required of them.
They should learn their ticket to heaven is not a free pass to sin!

• Those who do believe were given a seed of faith by God,
which was absolutely necessary for them to be able to believe.

• God’s free gift of grace is … #1 that is possible for a human
being to be saved and spend eternity with God in heaven!
God’s free gift of grace through faith in Jesus and His gospel
is not guaranteed to last a lifetime, i.e. it can be thrown away,
walked away from, drawn back from, etc. … God’s grace is
not about giving His people a free pass to sin!

• The true believer is positionally sanctified (set apart) to be
worked on by God the Holy Spirit (progressively sanctified).
Throughout the Scriptures, it’s all about repentance for sin,
which leads to God’s forgiveness.

• Upon initial salvation, God completely forgives all past sins,
but this does not cover future sins (which must be dealt with).
What is more ridiculous than people repenting of their sins
one time! … and then not having to repent of any future sins?
Unbelievers go to hell because they are habitual sinners, but
some believers go to heaven while doing the same thing?

• Ultimately, man has free will to refuse to co-operate to be
fully sanctified. Simply stated, born-again believers have no
excuse for not overcoming their sins, especially since there
are dozens of warnings about being habitual sinners, and
the Holy Spirit has been trying to convince them to stop this!
Jesus repeatedly said the one who loves Him will obey Him.
Practicing righteousness makes one righteous in God’s eyes.

• God’s new covenant with man is much superior to His old
covenant since He has given the true born-again believer:
1 -- a new nature, wherein he no longer is a slave to sin
2 -- the precious Helper, the Holy Spirit, who dwells within
3 -- all of the God-breathed Scriptures in the Holy Bible
This trinity of blessings gives the NT believer a tremendous
advantage over the OT believer who only had God’s prophets.

• In all of God’s dealings with man, He has insisted on man’s
co-operation … this salvation thing is a process wherein
God the Holy Spirit leads, guides, and teaches the believer.

• All throughout the Bible, one of God’s major themes is:
sin results in eternal death. And it is obvious throughout
Scripture that disobedience is not tolerated by God.
Plus … the NT states that disobedience proves unbelief.
And we know that unbelief also results in eternal death.
Therefore, as you can see, there is no such thing as OSAS.

You foolish Galatians (ZacharyB)! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

 

[Cross Reference]

You foolish Galatians (ZacharyB)! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

By that stupid question I can imagine you stupidly must believe you can keep on sinning and have Jesus too.

 

[ZacharyB]

Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

I believe what heard/read in the NT,
but you ... you are spiritually blind to
the many dozens of dire warnings
to the believer in the NT.

You must begin to reconcile
all of the NT verses!
Instead of ignoring 1/2 of them.
If that is possible for you.
Know what "reconcile" means?

However, if you're American,
you're too dumbed-down to
think critically!
Think I'm kidding, don't you!
Know what a sheeple is?

 

[ZacharyB]

... you (Poly) stupidly must believe you can keep on sinning and have Jesus too.

The whole entirety of the Bible
is about how much God hates sin!

Think He winks at the horrendous
sins of born-again believers?
NOPE! ...
The only way out is through
sincere repentance,
which will eventually rid
the believer of his sins!

Because of the new nature of
the born-again believer, and
the indwelling Holy Spirit,
he/she CAN be an overcomer ...
victorious over sin, the flesh,
the world, the Devil, etc.

This is how and why
God's new covenant is
His new and better covenant ,
which He promised in the OT.