For Those Who Still Insist That There Was Election Fraud

marke

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A total and complete lie, as expected. The truth can be found here if your interested, which you aren't: https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...on-than-official-results-showed-idUSL2N2N41N8

That's why the goofs from your side of the argument have been sent packing from every court they've gone into.
Sadly, nobody has adequately explained away the evidence of fraud in multiple precincts in multiple states. Denying the evidence is not debunking the evidence but it seems there are many gullible Americans who apparently do not understand that fact. Here is evidence which suggests voter fraud and which has never been explained away in any effort to dismiss claims of voter fraud:

HARRISBURG – A group of state lawmakers performing extensive analysis of election data today revealed troubling discrepancies between the numbers of total votes counted and total number of voters who voted in the 2020 General Election, and as a result are questioning how the results of the presidential election could possibly have been certified by Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar and Governor Tom Wolf. These findings are in addition to prior concerns regarding actions by the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, the Secretary, and others impacting the conduct of the election.
A comparison of official county election results to the total number of voters who voted on November 3, 2020 as recorded by the Department of State shows that 6,962,607 total ballots were reported as being cast, while DoS/SURE system records indicate that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted. Among the 6,962,607 total ballots cast, 6,931,060 total votes were counted in the presidential race, including all three candidates on the ballot and write-in candidates.
The difference of 202,377 more votes cast than voters voting, together with the 31,547 over- and under-votes in the presidential race, adds up to an alarming discrepancy of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between the two major candidates for President of the United States. On November 24, 2020, Boockvar certified election results, and Wolf issued a certificate of ascertainment of presidential electors, stating that Vice President Joe Biden received 80,555 more votes than President Donald Trump.
 

User Name

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It might not happen, especially with the presidential election. But it only has to show the fraud that Biden is if he stays in office, not to mention the rest of the party.
Good luck proving the election was fraudulent with those audits!
 

User Name

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No amount of luck will ever restore respect for democrate elections officials in the eyes of tens of millions of Americans who know full well none of them have ever debunked evidence of voter fraud.
What evidence of voter fraud are you talking about? Where is this evidence? Can I see it? Can you show it to me?
 

marke

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What evidence of voter fraud are you talking about? Where is this evidence? Can I see it? Can you show it to me?
Where do I start? I have hundreds of evidences. Here is another I may not have posted here yet:

Election auditors Windham, New Hampshire, are saying that some of their latest findings are “large enough to account for discrepancies” in the Nov. 3 election results for four state representative seats.
Auditors said they found “experimental confirmation that if the contest is undervoted, a fold through a vote target can create a vote.” ...
Harri Hursti, another auditor, wrote on Twitter that testing proved folded ballots were misinterpreted by machines. ...
Auditors finished the hand recount on May 21. The audit began on May 11.
AccuVote didn’t respond to a request for comment about the audit authorization. The AccuVote machines’ intellectual property is owned by Dominion Voting Systems. ...
Democrat candidate Kristi St. Laurent, who lost by a narrow margin of 24 votes, requested an audit (pdf) claiming that the machines were improperly programmed, and that double voting was involved. ...
An automatic recount was done, resulting in St. Laurent losing 99 more votes after a hand recount. Meanwhile, four Republicans gained about 300 votes each. ...
The audit team said thThe audit team said that more issues could be involved besides folded ballots being misinterpreted.
“The fold effect is large enough to ac count for discrepancies, but might not be all that’s going on,” the team said on Twitter on May 22, adding that “75 folded ballots voted straight Republican. Only 48 votes recorded for them. Folds generated overvotes. This is machine used on Election Day [for] most absentee ballots.”
Another machine was found to have “an even more dramatic problem” by the auditors, who said that only 28 percent of the votes for Republican candidates were counted.
“The work is not completed yet. While the folding seems to be a strong contributor it clearly is not the only factor,” Hursti said on Sunday. “For example: We have observed vastly different error rates on two machines processing the same ballots. Work continues.”
 

marke

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In other words, you have nothing that would overturn the results of an election in which Biden won by 7 million votes? Got it.
Do you believe major democrst politicians who claimed voting machines are subject to hacking and illegal manipulation? Do you believe tech experts who claim to have proofpo sitive certain machines were hacked and votes were illegally changed? If so, you show you are open to proof of democrat voter fraud in 2020.

Skoglund and his team developed a tool that scoured the internet to see if the central computers that program voting machines and run the entire election process at the precinct level were online. Once they had identified such systems, they contacted the relevant election officials and also provided the information to reporter Kim Zetter, who published the findings in Vice’s Motherboard in August.
The three largest voting manufacturing companies — Election Systems &Software, Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic — have acknowledged they all put modems in some of their tabulators and scanners. The reason? So that unofficial election results can more quickly be relayed to the public. Those modems connect to cell phone networks, which, in turn, are connected to the internet.

Mark Liddell evidence of voter machine fraud
 
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Derf

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Do you believe major democrst politicians who claimed voting machines are subject to hacking and illegal manipulation? Do you believe tech experts who claim to have proofpo sitive certain machines were hacked and votes were illegally changed? If so, you show you are open to proof of democrat voter fraud in 2020.

Skoglund and his team developed a tool that scoured the internet to see if the central computers that program voting machines and run the entire election process at the precinct level were online. Once they had identified such systems, they contacted the relevant election officials and also provided the information to reporter Kim Zetter, who published the findings in Vice’s Motherboard in August.
The three largest voting manufacturing companies — Election Systems &Software, Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic — have acknowledged they all put modems in some of their tabulators and scanners. The reason? So that unofficial election results can more quickly be relayed to the public. Those modems connect to cell phone networks, which, in turn, are connected to the internet.
I think you misunderstand @User Name and others of his ilk. What they means is “something that convinces me when my mind is already made up”. By that definition, also used by those who agree with the platform of the dem party, no evidence you provide will suffice.
I don’t disagree with him on that last part.
 

User Name

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I think you misunderstand @User Name and others of his ilk. What they means is “something that convinces me when my mind is already made up”. By that definition, also used by those who agree with the platform of the dem party, no evidence you provide will suffice.
The lot of you claim that the election was stolen by the Democrats, but even @marke has admitted that he has no idea how much voter fraud took place:
How much voter fraud took place? Nobody knows because no investigation has provided any numbers.
You just assume--without sufficient evidence--that the election was stolen. And you know what happens when you assume...
 
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marke

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I'm open to proof of any kind, but all you have shown me are hints and allegations.
Yes, allegations were made that O.J. killed his wife and her friend. Just because those allegations had not initially been investigated and tried in court did not prove O.J. did not do it. Just because allegations of fraud have not yet been sufficiently investigated does not mean the democrats are innocent.
 

marke

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The lot of you baselessly claim that the election was stolen by the Democrats, but even @marke has admitted that he has no idea how much voter fraud took place:

You just assume--without sufficient evidence--that the election was stolen. And you know what happens when you assume...
Here is more evidence of the history of democrat fraud the democrats stupidly refuse to acknowledge:

In the video, NYC Democratic Commissioner of the Board of Elections Alan Schulkin is caught on hidden camera at a United Federation of Teachers holiday party admitting that there is widespread voter fraud in New York City. “Yeah, they should ask for your ID. I think there is a lot of voter fraud,” said Schulkin, who elaborated on the types of voter fraud that are taking place in New York...“You know, I don’t think it’s too much to ask somebody to show some kind of an ID…Like I say, people don’t realize, certain neighborhoods in particular they bus people around to vote,” said Schulman.
 

Leatherneck

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I do understand that there are a lot of Trump appointees that are federal judges. Trump appointed 3 of them to the Supreme Court. Not one of them stood up for him. Not one. They're all hacks, but they're not hacking for Trump. And if they are not hacking for Trump, then they are not hacking for MAGA either. Oh well, it's over now for sure. We've all been had. Too bad.
I know they hack for the highest bidder. We’re quickly turning socialist, which is nothing more than communism.
 

Derf

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The lot of you claim that the election was stolen by the Democrats, but even @marke has admitted that he has no idea how much voter fraud took place:
That’s why audits are necessary. If we knew exactly how much fraud, we’d probably know where, how, and by whom it was committed. How many prosecutors do you know that walk onto the scene of a crime knowing the full extent of the crime, and have already determined who will testify in the trial, and what evidence he will present?

And my analogy is different in one important way from what you are suggesting: that you would not allow either the prosecutor or his investigators to actually visit the scene of the crime.


You just assume--without sufficient evidence--that the election was stolen. And you know what happens when you assume...
Just like Brain, your standards immediately shift from “evidence” to “sufficient evidence” when presented with evidence. That’s called bait and switch, if you didn’t already know. It’s a form of double hypocrisy, since you would never allow your opponent to get away with it, and since you don’t abide by your original standards.
 

User Name

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Just like Brain, your standards immediately shift from “evidence” to “sufficient evidence” when presented with evidence. That’s called bait and switch, if you didn’t already know. It’s a form of double hypocrisy, since you would never allow your opponent to get away with it, and since you don’t abide by your original standards.
Bottom line: You haven't proven your claim of widespread election fraud in the 2020 presidential election. All you have is the allegation that there was widespread election fraud in the 2020 presidential election, sufficient to change the outcome. That isn't enough.
 

Arthur Brain

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Bottom line: You haven't proven your claim of widespread election fraud in the 2020 presidential election. All you have is the allegation that there was widespread election fraud in the 2020 presidential election, sufficient to change the outcome. That isn't enough.
Exactly. Any evidence for a claim has to be substantial otherwise what's the point?
 

Derf

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Bottom line: You haven't proven your claim of widespread election fraud in the 2020 presidential election. All you have is the allegation that there was widespread election fraud in the 2020 presidential election, sufficient to change the outcome. That isn't enough.
Bottom line is that you have no standard for right vs wrong, so you are morally bankrupt. And thus you have neither a desire for the truth nor the ability to recognize it when it arrives.
You should worry about your bottom line, and repent.
 

User Name

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Exactly. Any evidence for a claim has to be substantial otherwise what's the point?
It's a common tactic for immature children to claim, "You cheated!' whenever they lose a game--even when the winner didn't cheat. We generally expect immature children to grow into mature adults, but even when they grow into adults they sometimes don't mature. Such is the case with this bunch.
 

User Name

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Bottom line is that you have no standard for right vs wrong, so you are morally bankrupt. And thus you have neither a desire for the truth nor the ability to recognize it when it arrives.
You should worry about your bottom line, and repent.
You simply can't point to a few examples of small-scale voter fraud and claim that it nullifies the results of an entire national election. Well, you can, but you'll have to do better than that if you expect reasonable people to take your claims seriously.
 

Arthur Brain

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Bottom line is that you have no standard for right vs wrong, so you are morally bankrupt. And thus you have neither a desire for the truth nor the ability to recognize it when it arrives.
You should worry about your bottom line, and repent.
You keep throwing this sort of stuff about and it only reflects badly on you. The truth of the matter is is that there's no substantive evidence for widespread voter fraud, end of. Plenty of whack a doodle claims and assertions but nothing of substance. If an accusation or claim is levelled then it requires substantial evidence, what other sort of evidence is worth anything?
 
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