Fiona Hill: "The president was trying to stage a coup"

annabenedetti

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From one of my favorite, maybe top favorite, political cartoonists, Michael de Adder:

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Hilltrot

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He's a U.S. intelligence expert, and Sen. Jason Crow said the same thing after talking to some of his Republican colleagues.

But whatever you need to tell yourself.
Right U.S. intelligence "expert". Are you really that stupid? Hey, someone who called himself an intelligence expert said it, so it must be true!

Are you really that stupid?

And then Sen. Jason Crow - :ROFLMAO: - as if Demecrat politicians never lie.

Are you really that stupid?
 

Hilltrot

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Feel free to refute the numbers, I can check back later to see how you're doing.
It's not the numbers. It's where you're getting your information from and how you spend your time. You are one of those who literally get their news from Twitter. And you complain about our sources? I didn't read anything from Twitter even when Trump was on. Twitter is a cesspool. It's rotted your brain.
 

annabenedetti

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It's not the numbers. It's where you're getting your information from and how you spend your time. You are one of those who literally get their news from Twitter. And you complain about our sources? I didn't read anything from Twitter even when Trump was on. Twitter is a cesspool. It's rotted your brain.

I know it's not the numbers, so since the numbers themselves can't be attacked, you attack the method by which they were transmitted? If it helps you process the history made today, well, I can understand that.
 

Hilltrot

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Try looking him up. : )
There is no reason why I should waste time looking-up a moron politician.
I know it's not the numbers, so since the numbers themselves can't be attacked, you attack the method by which they were transmitted? If it helps you process the history made today, well, I can understand that.
You're suffering from Twitter brain-rot. I suggest leaving cold-turkey.
 

annabenedetti

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Lawmakers who conspired with Capitol attackers in legal peril
If any members of Congress are proven to have colluded with the rioters, their position likely won't save them from criminal liability.

Capitol rioters included highly trained ex-military and cops

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WASHINGTON (AP) — As President Donald Trump’s supporters massed outside the Capitol last week and sang the national anthem, a line of men wearing olive-drab helmets and body armor trudged purposefully up the marble stairs in a single-file line, each man holding the jacket collar of the one ahead.

The formation, known as “Ranger File,” is standard operating procedure for a combat team that is “stacking up” to breach a building — instantly recognizable to any U.S. soldier or Marine who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was a chilling sign that many at the vanguard of the mob that stormed the seat of American democracy either had military training or were trained by those who did.

 
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Hilltrot

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Remember the guy they arrested during the insurrection with the homemade napalm bombs?

Defendant is charged in a 17-count indictment with firearm and ammunition offenses. On January 6, 2021, a vehicle registered to Defendant was found in close proximity to the U.S. Capitol. U.S. Capitol Police (“USCP”) officers found a small armory inside the Defendant's truck:

(1) a loaded handgun;
(2) a loaded rifle;
(3) a loaded shotgun;
(4) several large capacity ammunition-feeding devices loaded with more than ten rounds of rifle ammunition;
(5) hundreds of rounds of ammunition;
(6) a crossbow with bolts;
(7) several machetes;
(8) camouflage smoke devices;
(9) a stun gun;
(10) 11 mason jars containing a flammable liquid, with a hole punched in the top of each jar; and
(11) lighters and rags. Defendant also had two loaded firearms on his person.

According to the government's proffer, the mixture in the mason jars creates an explosive mixture that has the effect of napalm. In addition, surveillance images show Defendant in attendance at the events at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, and USCP agents found handwritten notes in Defendant's car, including information about elected representatives, a judge, and a quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln referencing overthrowing the government.

All of this raises significant concerns about Defendant's intentions with respect to weaponry and destructive devices found in the Defendant's truck. This factor weighs heavily in favor of pretrial detention.
. . . .

The timing of Defendant's travel to D.C., and the handwritten notes found in his vehicle suggest that he came here with the intent to use the cache of firepower found in his vehicle to commit violence against government officials or to assist others in doing so. Given the substantial number of firearms and homemade incendiary devices found in his possession --suggesting a ready access to both --the undersigned has no confidence that any condition or combination of conditions would reasonably assure ensure the safety of the community.

"The girls were gang raped for more than an hour and forced to perform oral sex. They were kicked, had teeth knocked out and hair pulled out. Their ribs were broken. A red nylon belt was pulled so tightly around Ertman's neck the belt snapped. Shoe laces were used to strangle Pena."
 

Hilltrot

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Lawmakers who conspired with Capitol attackers in legal peril
If any members of Congress are proven to have colluded with the rioters, their position likely won't save them from criminal liability.

Capitol rioters included highly trained ex-military and cops

800.jpeg

WASHINGTON (AP) — As President Donald Trump’s supporters massed outside the Capitol last week and sang the national anthem, a line of men wearing olive-drab helmets and body armor trudged purposefully up the marble stairs in a single-file line, each man holding the jacket collar of the one ahead.

The formation, known as “Ranger File,” is standard operating procedure for a combat team that is “stacking up” to breach a building — instantly recognizable to any U.S. soldier or Marine who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was a chilling sign that many at the vanguard of the mob that stormed the seat of American democracy either had military training or were trained by those who did.

Don't you mean peaceful demonstrators? Or are you a racist bigot?

 

annabenedetti

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You're derailing the thread using a common tactic of posting whataboutisms to deflect from the uncomfortable information you either can't refute or can't justify or don't want associated with your tribe. Feel free to start a new thread, I won't be arguing with you about stuff that's unrelated to the insurrection at the Capitol.
 

annabenedetti

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Excerpt from a firsthand account of the insurrection from journalist Luke Mogelson:

“You are traitors to the country!” a man barked at the police through a megaphone plastered with stickers from “InfoWars,” the incendiary Web program hosted by the right-wing conspiracist Alex Jones. Behind the man stood Biggs, the Proud Boys leader. He wore a radio clipped onto the breast pocket of his plaid flannel shirt. Not far away, I spotted a “straight pride” flag.

There wasn’t nearly enough law enforcement to fend off the mob, which pelted the officers with cans and bottles. One man angrily invoked the pandemic lockdown: “Why can’t I work? Where’s my ‘pursuit of happiness’?” Many people were equipped with flak jackets, helmets, gas masks, and tactical apparel. Guns were prohibited for the protest, but a man in a cowboy hat, posing for a photograph, lifted his jacket to reveal a revolver tucked into his waistband. Other Trump supporters had Tasers, baseball bats, and truncheons. I saw one man holding a coiled noose.

“Hang Mike Pence!” people yelled.

Soon the mob swarmed past the officers, into the understructure of the bleachers, and scrambled through its metal braces, up the building’s granite steps. Toward the top was a temporary security wall with three doors, one of which was instantly breached. Dozens of police stood behind the wall, using shields, nightsticks, and pepper spray to stop people from crossing the threshold. Other officers took up positions on planks above, firing a steady barrage of nonlethal munitions into the solid mass of bodies. As rounds tinked off metal, and caustic chemicals filled the space as if it were a fumigation tent, some of the insurrectionists panicked: “We need to retreat and assault another point!” But most remained resolute. “Hold the line!” they exhorted. “Storm!” Martial bagpipes blared through portable speakers.

“Shoot the politicians!” somebody yelled.

“Fight for Trump!”

A jet of pepper spray incapacitated me for about twenty minutes. When I regained my vision, the mob was streaming freely through all three doors. I followed an overweight man in a Roman-era costume—sandals, cape, armguards, dagger—away from the bleachers and onto an open terrace on the Capitol’s main level. People clambered through a shattered window. Video later showed that a Proud Boy had smashed it with a riot shield. A dozen police stood in a hallway softly lit by ornate chandeliers, mutely watching the rioters—many of them wearing Trump gear or carrying Trump flags—flood into the building. Their cries resonated through colonnaded rooms: “Where’s the traitors?” “Bring them out!” “Get these [redacted] [redacted] Commies out!”

The attack on the Capitol was a predictable apotheosis of a months-long ferment. Throughout the pandemic, right-wing protesters had been gathering at statehouses, demanding entry. In April, an armed mob had filled the Michigan state capitol, chanting “Treason!” and “Let us in!” In December, conservatives had broken the glass doors of the Oregon state capitol, overrunning officers and spraying them with chemical agents. The occupation of restricted government sanctums was an affirmation of dominance so emotionally satisfying that it was an end in itself—proof to elected officials, to Biden voters, and also to the occupiers themselves that they were still in charge. After one of the Trump supporters breached the U.S. Capitol, he insisted through a megaphone, “We will not be denied.” There was an unmistakable subtext as the mob, almost entirely white, shouted, “Whose house? Our house!” One man carried a Confederate flag through the building. A Black member of the Capitol Police later told BuzzFeed News that, during the assault, he was called a racial slur fifteen times.

I followed a group that broke off to advance on five policemen guarding a side corridor. “Stand down,” a man in a maga hat commanded. “You’re outnumbered. There’s a [redacted] million of us out there, and we are listening to Trump—your boss.”

“We can take you out,” a man beside him warned.

The America Firsters and other invaders fanned out in search of lawmakers, breaking into offices and revelling in their own astounding impunity. “Nancy, I’m ho-ome! ” a man taunted, mimicking Jack Nicholson’s character in “The Shining.” Someone else yelled, “1776—it’s now or never.” Around this time, Trump tweeted, “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country. . . . USA demands the truth!” Twenty minutes later, Ashli Babbitt, a thirty-five-year-old woman from California, was fatally shot while climbing through a barricaded door that led to the Speaker’s lobby in the House chamber, where representatives were sheltering...

“Where the [redacted] are they?”

“Where the [redacted] is Nancy?”

No one seemed quite sure how to proceed. “While we’re here, we might as well set up a government,” somebody suggested.

Then a man with a large “AF ” [America First] flag—college-age, cheeks spotted with acne—pushed through a series of tall double doors, the last of which gave onto the Senate chamber.

“Praise God!”
 

Hilltrot

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You're derailing the thread using a common tactic of posting whataboutisms to deflect from the uncomfortable information you either can't refute or can't justify or don't want associated with your tribe. Feel free to start a new thread, I won't be arguing with you about stuff that's unrelated to the insurrection at the Capitol.
You're upset with police and military protesting.

I'm a sane person who gets upset when police do things like this:


But hey, you're upset because AOC got her feelings hurt. That's much worse and something we really need to talk about.
 

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Excerpt from a firsthand account of the insurrection from journalist Luke Mogelson:

“You are traitors to the country!” a man barked at the police through a megaphone plastered with stickers from “InfoWars,” the incendiary Web program hosted by the right-wing conspiracist Alex Jones. Behind the man stood Biggs, the Proud Boys leader. He wore a radio clipped onto the breast pocket of his plaid flannel shirt. Not far away, I spotted a “straight pride” flag.

There wasn’t nearly enough law enforcement to fend off the mob, which pelted the officers with cans and bottles. One man angrily invoked the pandemic lockdown: “Why can’t I work? Where’s my ‘pursuit of happiness’?” Many people were equipped with flak jackets, helmets, gas masks, and tactical apparel. Guns were prohibited for the protest, but a man in a cowboy hat, posing for a photograph, lifted his jacket to reveal a revolver tucked into his waistband. Other Trump supporters had Tasers, baseball bats, and truncheons. I saw one man holding a coiled noose.

“Hang Mike Pence!” people yelled.

Soon the mob swarmed past the officers, into the understructure of the bleachers, and scrambled through its metal braces, up the building’s granite steps. Toward the top was a temporary security wall with three doors, one of which was instantly breached. Dozens of police stood behind the wall, using shields, nightsticks, and pepper spray to stop people from crossing the threshold. Other officers took up positions on planks above, firing a steady barrage of nonlethal munitions into the solid mass of bodies. As rounds tinked off metal, and caustic chemicals filled the space as if it were a fumigation tent, some of the insurrectionists panicked: “We need to retreat and assault another point!” But most remained resolute. “Hold the line!” they exhorted. “Storm!” Martial bagpipes blared through portable speakers.

“Shoot the politicians!” somebody yelled.

“Fight for Trump!”

A jet of pepper spray incapacitated me for about twenty minutes. When I regained my vision, the mob was streaming freely through all three doors. I followed an overweight man in a Roman-era costume—sandals, cape, armguards, dagger—away from the bleachers and onto an open terrace on the Capitol’s main level. People clambered through a shattered window. Video later showed that a Proud Boy had smashed it with a riot shield. A dozen police stood in a hallway softly lit by ornate chandeliers, mutely watching the rioters—many of them wearing Trump gear or carrying Trump flags—flood into the building. Their cries resonated through colonnaded rooms: “Where’s the traitors?” “Bring them out!” “Get these [redacted] [redacted] Commies out!”

The attack on the Capitol was a predictable apotheosis of a months-long ferment. Throughout the pandemic, right-wing protesters had been gathering at statehouses, demanding entry. In April, an armed mob had filled the Michigan state capitol, chanting “Treason!” and “Let us in!” In December, conservatives had broken the glass doors of the Oregon state capitol, overrunning officers and spraying them with chemical agents. The occupation of restricted government sanctums was an affirmation of dominance so emotionally satisfying that it was an end in itself—proof to elected officials, to Biden voters, and also to the occupiers themselves that they were still in charge. After one of the Trump supporters breached the U.S. Capitol, he insisted through a megaphone, “We will not be denied.” There was an unmistakable subtext as the mob, almost entirely white, shouted, “Whose house? Our house!” One man carried a Confederate flag through the building. A Black member of the Capitol Police later told BuzzFeed News that, during the assault, he was called a racial slur fifteen times.

I followed a group that broke off to advance on five policemen guarding a side corridor. “Stand down,” a man in a maga hat commanded. “You’re outnumbered. There’s a [redacted] million of us out there, and we are listening to Trump—your boss.”

“We can take you out,” a man beside him warned.

The America Firsters and other invaders fanned out in search of lawmakers, breaking into offices and revelling in their own astounding impunity. “Nancy, I’m ho-ome! ” a man taunted, mimicking Jack Nicholson’s character in “The Shining.” Someone else yelled, “1776—it’s now or never.” Around this time, Trump tweeted, “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country. . . . USA demands the truth!” Twenty minutes later, Ashli Babbitt, a thirty-five-year-old woman from California, was fatally shot while climbing through a barricaded door that led to the Speaker’s lobby in the House chamber, where representatives were sheltering...

“Where the [redacted] are they?”

“Where the [redacted] is Nancy?”

No one seemed quite sure how to proceed. “While we’re here, we might as well set up a government,” somebody suggested.

Then a man with a large “AF ” [America First] flag—college-age, cheeks spotted with acne—pushed through a series of tall double doors, the last of which gave onto the Senate chamber.

“Praise God!”
Yeah, we saw all your concern and caring about the months of rioting, burning, and looting that went on all summer. You know, all the violence from the left. You were really strident in denouncing it. :rolleyes:
 
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