Fiona Hill: "The president was trying to stage a coup"
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annabenedetti
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"For no reason?" You see "no reason" to attack his character? His character brought us to where we are.
I'm curious. Will it be all right to attack his character after 1/20 when he's no longer president? Is this hands-off because he's the president, or because he's Trump?
annabenedetti
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Yeah, no kidding.
They knew this was in the works for weeks if not months, it was openly discussed on social media, it's almost like the Capitol was intentionally left unprotected. I feel badly for the Capitol police who had to bear the brunt of it.
ok doser
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How about that?
Ad hominems ("to the man" arguments) are fallacies for a reason, Anna.
Because you say so?
Supra.
A reminder:
Thread 'Moratorium on one trick pony threads and posts.' https://theologyonline.com/threads/moratorium-on-one-trick-pony-threads-and-posts.44422/
I agree with most of what you are saying. However, IMV based on previous incidents, the police, GOP, red-hatters were all complicit in the destruction and deaths.
ok doser
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We need a site moratorium on one trick pony posters
annabenedetti
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I'm not attacking you, JR, or any other person in this thread, so I don't see how you can fall back on that. (On a side note, I've been the recipient of countless ad homs here and I usually ignore them for what they are.)
But to call out the dangerous character of a national leader - I see that as my civic duty.
Come on, JR, isn't that what we're supposed to be doing? Saying what we think, what we believe? Isn't that the idea behind "dialogue?"
In conversations with @Jefferson, he's made it clear that he stands clearly on the side of free speech, even if it's offensive. I'm not trolling someone else's thread, I'm bringing my concerns about the state of this country to a thread where I can put some links out there for people to read and perhaps find something there they weren't aware of.
Yeah, well this is the only thread I've made since I've been back. It's not like I'm starting multiple threads all over the place.
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annabenedetti
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There was an interview with one of the beleaguered Capitol police that there were cops from other agencies/states that flashed their credentials at him as they went by. I believe him. There are also videos of Capitol police waving people in and I don't know the full context on those. But there were others who tried hard to protect the Capitol and the people inside, and were beaten and killed in the line of duty.
I also think it's going to come out eventually how there was inside help, from GOP elected officials, the Pentagon, and law enforcement.
Don't lose focus. I said you were attacking Trump's character.
So... bring the evidence. Don't just make bald assertions.
It applies to single threads as well, Anna.
Back to the thread topic, now.
ok doser
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You could go away again
annabenedetti
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I'm not having a debate with Trump.
Ad hominem:
Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
Okay, I'll keep bringing links to the thread as new information comes out.
As it stands, It's a fact that Trump was attacking Pence while Pence himself was in bodily danger.
I think so too.
annabenedetti
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As of last night, reports were that he and Trump haven't spoken since Wednesday's attack.
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Imagine that. Pence is finally perturbed about the intentional violence inciting rhetoric.. because this time his life was endangered.
So Katie Hunt is having an extra-marital affair with Pence. Interesting. I don't believe it, but it is interesting how far a leftist will go. . .
annabenedetti
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The personal is political, after all. :/
I've thought for a long time that post-Trump will bring a huge split in the Republican party between the GOP who barely tolerated Trump (but tolerated they did, to their everlasting shame) and the MAGA who barely tolerated the GOP. The GOP establishment are outraged at the moment, someone of them in a CYA kind of way (shocked and chagrined, they hardly knew him!) but the MAGA? I think they're Frankenstein's creature now, out of control.
Nope. The other way around.
Pence’s chief of staff accuses Trump of locking him out of White House
WASHINGTON — Vice President Mike Pence’s chief of staff, Marc Short, on Wednesday accused President Trump of revoking his White House access as tensions between Pence and Trump continue…
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Oh, wait. You'll only believe it if leftists report it.
I see nobody here has the real information. There are so many lies floating around from both Republicans and Democrats that the truth is the first thing to disappear.Nope. The other way around.
Pence’s chief of staff accuses Trump of locking him out of White House
WASHINGTON — Vice President Mike Pence’s chief of staff, Marc Short, on Wednesday accused President Trump of revoking his White House access as tensions between Pence and Trump continue…
Oh, wait. You'll only believe it if leftists report it.
Here's a partial transcript from Trump's speech:
Pence was given letters from all the states that wanted to recertify their delegates because of all the fraud. Pence wouldn't even send the process back to the states, which was the Constitutional thing to do, because state legislators are the ones to certify electors.
If you want to listen to that transcript follow the link below and click on the time in blue that says 08:09 just like it is in the transcript of the speech I posted here.
WATCH LIVE President Donald Trump speaks to supporters protesting the electo...
Donald Trump: The media will not show the magnitude of this crowd. Even I, when I turned on today, I looked, and I saw thousands of people here, but you don't see hundreds of thousands of people behind you because they don't want to show that. We have hundreds of thousands of people here, and I...
www.rev.com
annabenedetti
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Republican senator: White House aides say Trump was “delighted” as Capitol was stormed
Senator Brian Schatz:
2 Capitol Police officers suspended and at least 10 more under investigation for alleged roles in riot
In wake of Capitol riot, active-duty Army officer under investigation
- On a private call Monday night, new leaders of the Capitol Police told House Democrats they were closely monitoring three separate plans that could pose serious threats to members of Congress as Washington prepares for Democrat Joe Biden’s presidential inauguration on Jan. 20.
What and who to believe? Hopefully it'll be clear sooner rather than later.