Executing homosexuals

Rusha

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Not only did you reject the fact that private acts of sodomy can't be prosecuted,

THAT doesn't make sense so I am not going to pretend it does. IF something is a crime, it is illegal to do it PRIVATELY. IF you rape or murder someone behind closed doors, is it no longer a crime?

but you went further and compared sodomy with rape and murder.

No, I did not. I am not one of those who believe it should be prosecuted as a DP offense in the same way as murder.

What university did you graduate from? I can ask a redund on your behalf if you want.

What's a redund, Smart Guy?
 

dave3712

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Thus isn't a thread about killing divorced parents or absent fathers. There's another thread for that. This thread is about killing homosexuals.

I was asking what people's plan for executing homosexuals is.

We must "kill" all the overt talk about Sex, in general, Homosexual life styles, Straight people having sexual relationships, etc, for the sake of NOT killing the child in our Children:



http://www.fathers.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=391

...almost every social ill faced by America's
children is related to fatherlessness.


As supported by the data
below, children from fatherless homes are more likely to be poor, become involved
in drug and alcohol abuse, drop out of school, and suffer from health and emotional
problems. Boys are more likely to become involved in crime, and girls are more likely
to become pregnant as teens.

1. Poverty

- In 1996, young children living with unmarried mothers were five times
as likely to be poor and ten times as likely to be extremely poor.
Source: "One in Four: America's Youngest Poor." National Center for children in Poverty. 1996.

- Almost 75% of American children living in single-parent families will
experience poverty before they turn 11 years old. Only 20 percent of
children in two-parent families will do the same.
Source: National Commission on Children. Just the Facts: A Summary of Recent information
on America's Children and their Families. Washington, DC, 1993.

poverty.gif ¨ 
Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census.Statistical Abstract of the United States 1994. Washington, DC: GPO 1994.

2. Drug and Alcohol Abuse- The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services states, "Fatherless children are at a dramatically greater risk of drug and alcohol abuse."
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Survey on Child Health. Washington, DC, 1993.

- Children growing up in single-parent households are at a significantly increased risk for drug abuse as teenagers.
Source: Denton, Rhonda E. and Charlene M. Kampfe. "The relationship Between Family Variables and Adolescent Substance Abuse: A literature Review." Adolescence 114 (1994): 475-495.

- Children who live apart from their fathers are 4.3 times more likely to smoke cigarettes as teenagers than children growing up with their fathers in the home.
Source: Stanton, Warren R., Tian P.S. Oci and Phil A. Silva. "Sociodemographic characteristics of Adolescent Smokers." The International Journal of the Addictions 7 (1994): 913-925.

3. Physical and Emotional Health
- Unmarried mothers are less likely to obtain prenatal care and more likely to have a low birthweight baby. Researchers find that these negative effects persist even when they take into account factors, such as parental education, that often distinguish single-parent from two-parent families.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Public Health Service. Center for Disease Control and Prevention. National Center for Health Statistics. Report to Congress on Out-of-Wedlock Childbearing. Hyattsville, MD (Sept. 1995): 12.

- A study on nearly 6,000 children found that children from single parent homes had more physical and mental health problems than children who lived with two married parents. Additionally, boys in single parent homes were found to have more illnesses than girls in single parent homes.
Source: Hong, Gong-Soog and Shelly L. White-Means."Do Working Mothers Have Healthy Children?" Journal of Family and Economic Issues 14 (Summer 1993): 163-186.

- Children in single-parent families are two to three times as likely as children in two-parent families to have emotional and behavioral problems.
Source: Stanton, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics."National Health Interview Survey." Hyattsville, MD, 1988.

childrensbehavior.gif ¨ 
Source: Zill, Nicholas and Carol Schoenborn. Child Developmental, Learning and Emotional Problems: Health of Our Nation's Children. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Advance Data 1990. Washington, DC: GPO, 16 Nov. 1990.

- Three out of four teenage suicides occur in households where a parent has been absent.
Source: Elshtain, Jean Bethke."Family Matters: The Plight of America's Children." The Christian Century (July 1993): 14-21.

4. Educational Achievement- In studies involving over 25,000 children using nationally representative data sets, children who lived with only one parent had lower grade point averages, lower college aspirations, poor attendance records, and higher drop out rates than students who lived with both parents.
Source: McLanahan, Sara and Gary Sandefur. Growing up with a Single Parent: What Hurts, What Helps. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1994.

- Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Survey on Child Health. Washington, DC; GPO, 1993.

dropoutrates.gif ¨
Source: McLanahan, Sara and Gary Sandefur. Growing up with a Single Parent: What Hurts, What Helps. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1994.

- After taking into account race, socioeconomic status, sex, age, and ability, high school students from single-parent households were 1.7 times more likely to drop out of school than were their corresponding counterparts living with both biological parents.
Source: McNeal, Ralph B. Jr."Extracurricular Activities and High School Dropouts." Sociology of Education 68(1995): 62-81.

- School children from divorced families are absent more, and more anxious, hostile, and withdrawn, and are less popular with their peers than those from intact families.
Source: One-Parent Families and Their Children: The School's Most Significant Minority. The Consortium for the Study of School Needs of Children from One-Parent Families. National Association of elementary School Principals and the Institute for Development of Educational Activities, a division of the Charles f. Kettering Foundation. Arlington, VA 1980.

5. Crime- Children in single parent families are more likely to be in trouble with the law than their peers who grow up with two parents.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. National Health Interview Survey. Hyattsville, MD, 1988.

- In a study using a national probability sample of 1,636 young men and women, it was found that older boys and girls from female headed households are more likely to commit criminal acts than their peers who lived with two parents.
Source: Heimer, Karen. "Gender, Interaction, and Delinquency: Testing a Theory of Differential Social Control." Social Psychology Quarterly 59 (1996): 39-61.

juveniles.gif ¨
Source: Ryan, Gail et al."Trendis in a National Sample of Sexually Abusive Youths." Journal of the American Academy of Child Adolescent Psychiatry 35 (January 1996): 17-25.

- A study in the state of Washington using statewide data found an increased likelihood that children born out-of-wedlock would become a juvenile offender. Compared to their peers born to married parents, children born out-of-wedlock were:
1.7 times more likely to become an offender and 2.1 times more likely to become a chronic offender if male.
1.8 times more likely to become an offender and 2.8 times more likely to become a chronic offender if female.
10 times more likely to become a chronic juvenile offender if male and born to an unmarried teen mother.
Source: Conseur, Amy et al. "Maternal and Perinatal Risk Factors for Later Delinquency." Pediatrics 99 (1997): 785-790.

6. Sexual Activity and Teen Pregnancy
- Adolescent females between the ages of 15 and 19 years reared in homes without fathers are significantly more likely to engage in premarital sex than adolescent females reared in homes with both a mother and a father.
Source: Billy, John O. G., Karin L. Brewster and William R. Grady. "Contextual Effects on the Sexual Behavior of Adolescent Women." Journal of Marriage and Family 56 (1994): 381-404.
/////////
- A survey of 720 teenage girls found:
97% of the girls said that having parents they could talk to could help reduce teen pregnancy.
93% said having loving parents reduced the risk.
76% said that their fathers were very or somewhat influential on their decision to have sex.
Source: Clements, Mark. Parade. February 2, 1997.

- Children in single parent families are more likely to get pregnant as teenagers than their peers who grow up with two parents.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. National Health Interview Survey. Hyattsville, MD 1988.

- A white teenage girl from an advantaged background is five times more likely to become a teen mother if she grows up in a single-mother household than if she grows up in a household with both biological parents.
Source: Whitehead, Barbara Dafoe. "Facing the Challenges of Fragmented Families." The Philanthropy Roundtable 9.1 (1995): 21.
 

zoo22

Well-known member
Thus isn't a thread about killing divorced parents or absent fathers. There's another thread for that. This thread is about killing homosexuals.

I was asking what people's plan for executing homosexuals is.
We must "kill" all the overt talk about Sex, in general, Homosexual life styles, Straight people having sexual relationships, etc, for the sake of NOT killing the child in our Children:



http://www.fathers.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=391

...almost every social ill faced by America's
children is related to fatherlessness.


As supported by the data
below, children from fatherless homes are more likely to be poor, become involved
in drug and alcohol abuse, drop out of school, and suffer from health and emotional
problems. Boys are more likely to become involved in crime, and girls are more likely
to become pregnant as teens.

1. Poverty

- In 1996, young children living with unmarried mothers were five times
as likely to be poor and ten times as likely to be extremely poor.
Source: "One in Four: America's Youngest Poor." National Center for children in Poverty. 1996.

- Almost 75% of American children living in single-parent families will
experience poverty before they turn 11 years old. Only 20 percent of
children in two-parent families will do the same.
Source: National Commission on Children. Just the Facts: A Summary of Recent information
on America's Children and their Families. Washington, DC, 1993.

poverty.gif ¨ 
Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census.Statistical Abstract of the United States 1994. Washington, DC: GPO 1994.

2. Drug and Alcohol Abuse- The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services states, "Fatherless children are at a dramatically greater risk of drug and alcohol abuse."
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Survey on Child Health. Washington, DC, 1993.

- Children growing up in single-parent households are at a significantly increased risk for drug abuse as teenagers.
Source: Denton, Rhonda E. and Charlene M. Kampfe. "The relationship Between Family Variables and Adolescent Substance Abuse: A literature Review." Adolescence 114 (1994): 475-495.

- Children who live apart from their fathers are 4.3 times more likely to smoke cigarettes as teenagers than children growing up with their fathers in the home.
Source: Stanton, Warren R., Tian P.S. Oci and Phil A. Silva. "Sociodemographic characteristics of Adolescent Smokers." The International Journal of the Addictions 7 (1994): 913-925.

3. Physical and Emotional Health
- Unmarried mothers are less likely to obtain prenatal care and more likely to have a low birthweight baby. Researchers find that these negative effects persist even when they take into account factors, such as parental education, that often distinguish single-parent from two-parent families.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Public Health Service. Center for Disease Control and Prevention. National Center for Health Statistics. Report to Congress on Out-of-Wedlock Childbearing. Hyattsville, MD (Sept. 1995): 12.

- A study on nearly 6,000 children found that children from single parent homes had more physical and mental health problems than children who lived with two married parents. Additionally, boys in single parent homes were found to have more illnesses than girls in single parent homes.
Source: Hong, Gong-Soog and Shelly L. White-Means."Do Working Mothers Have Healthy Children?" Journal of Family and Economic Issues 14 (Summer 1993): 163-186.

- Children in single-parent families are two to three times as likely as children in two-parent families to have emotional and behavioral problems.
Source: Stanton, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics."National Health Interview Survey." Hyattsville, MD, 1988.

childrensbehavior.gif ¨ 
Source: Zill, Nicholas and Carol Schoenborn. Child Developmental, Learning and Emotional Problems: Health of Our Nation's Children. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Advance Data 1990. Washington, DC: GPO, 16 Nov. 1990.

- Three out of four teenage suicides occur in households where a parent has been absent.
Source: Elshtain, Jean Bethke."Family Matters: The Plight of America's Children." The Christian Century (July 1993): 14-21.

4. Educational Achievement- In studies involving over 25,000 children using nationally representative data sets, children who lived with only one parent had lower grade point averages, lower college aspirations, poor attendance records, and higher drop out rates than students who lived with both parents.
Source: McLanahan, Sara and Gary Sandefur. Growing up with a Single Parent: What Hurts, What Helps. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1994.

- Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Survey on Child Health. Washington, DC; GPO, 1993.

dropoutrates.gif ¨
Source: McLanahan, Sara and Gary Sandefur. Growing up with a Single Parent: What Hurts, What Helps. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1994.

- After taking into account race, socioeconomic status, sex, age, and ability, high school students from single-parent households were 1.7 times more likely to drop out of school than were their corresponding counterparts living with both biological parents.
Source: McNeal, Ralph B. Jr."Extracurricular Activities and High School Dropouts." Sociology of Education 68(1995): 62-81.

- School children from divorced families are absent more, and more anxious, hostile, and withdrawn, and are less popular with their peers than those from intact families.
Source: One-Parent Families and Their Children: The School's Most Significant Minority. The Consortium for the Study of School Needs of Children from One-Parent Families. National Association of elementary School Principals and the Institute for Development of Educational Activities, a division of the Charles f. Kettering Foundation. Arlington, VA 1980.

5. Crime- Children in single parent families are more likely to be in trouble with the law than their peers who grow up with two parents.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. National Health Interview Survey. Hyattsville, MD, 1988.

- In a study using a national probability sample of 1,636 young men and women, it was found that older boys and girls from female headed households are more likely to commit criminal acts than their peers who lived with two parents.
Source: Heimer, Karen. "Gender, Interaction, and Delinquency: Testing a Theory of Differential Social Control." Social Psychology Quarterly 59 (1996): 39-61.

juveniles.gif ¨
Source: Ryan, Gail et al."Trendis in a National Sample of Sexually Abusive Youths." Journal of the American Academy of Child Adolescent Psychiatry 35 (January 1996): 17-25.

- A study in the state of Washington using statewide data found an increased likelihood that children born out-of-wedlock would become a juvenile offender. Compared to their peers born to married parents, children born out-of-wedlock were:
1.7 times more likely to become an offender and 2.1 times more likely to become a chronic offender if male.
1.8 times more likely to become an offender and 2.8 times more likely to become a chronic offender if female.
10 times more likely to become a chronic juvenile offender if male and born to an unmarried teen mother.
Source: Conseur, Amy et al. "Maternal and Perinatal Risk Factors for Later Delinquency." Pediatrics 99 (1997): 785-790.

6. Sexual Activity and Teen Pregnancy
- Adolescent females between the ages of 15 and 19 years reared in homes without fathers are significantly more likely to engage in premarital sex than adolescent females reared in homes with both a mother and a father.
Source: Billy, John O. G., Karin L. Brewster and William R. Grady. "Contextual Effects on the Sexual Behavior of Adolescent Women." Journal of Marriage and Family 56 (1994): 381-404.
/////////
- A survey of 720 teenage girls found:
97% of the girls said that having parents they could talk to could help reduce teen pregnancy.
93% said having loving parents reduced the risk.
76% said that their fathers were very or somewhat influential on their decision to have sex.
Source: Clements, Mark. Parade. February 2, 1997.

- Children in single parent families are more likely to get pregnant as teenagers than their peers who grow up with two parents.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. National Health Interview Survey. Hyattsville, MD 1988.

- A white teenage girl from an advantaged background is five times more likely to become a teen mother if she grows up in a single-mother household than if she grows up in a household with both biological parents.
Source: Whitehead, Barbara Dafoe. "Facing the Challenges of Fragmented Families." The Philanthropy Roundtable 9.1 (1995): 21.

How is that a plan to execute homosexuals?

Maybe you're you not understanding me correctly.

I'm asking what people's plan for executing homosexuals is.
 

Eeset

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A plan? OK. First you take away their right to vote and hold public office. Let's begin with Congress.
 

Arthur Brain

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What kind of stupid idiot are you? This isn't up for debate. It is NOT possible to prosecute two CONSENSUAL men having sex in their bedroom. That is IMPOSSIBLE to prosecute, the sooner you understand that the better. And murder and rape crimes have a VICTIM, something lacking in homosexual sex. Get educated. I've met homosexuals in police states myself. There's not a damn thing the authorities can do about it. They don't investigate hearsay.

Are you even following this debate? The scenario under question here is that consensual homosexual sex is put on a PAR with horrific crimes of violation and just what steps those who support it would have in place etc, along with 'justifying' why it should be. Nobody needs to be told that consensual sex doesn't have an actual victim genius so get with the program will ya? :doh:
 

Lighthouse

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So I do need to explain the obvious to you? Okay then, if you saw an animal being tortured would you consider it cruel? Presuming you've given the only moral and sensible answer to that question then you can now do the math on this as well. :thumb:
Who said anything about torture?

Oh do please tell then.
What? That you're simply making assumptions? I don't trust that you want to be at all reasonable.

I brought it up as part of my answer, not as a commentary on what you might happen to think on it. Read what's written.
Let me rephrase my question: How is it relevant?

Are you kidding? There'd be suspicion where two friends of the same gender share a place to live for a start, despite the fact many do.
Not suspicion enough, idiot.

Under an effective police state? Once again, do the math.
Who said anything about a police state?

Once again, you are wrong. Those who wish to execute homosexuals consider homosexuality to be on the same level as murder and rape. Do you believe that murderers and rapists do not *engage privately* when they are committing their crimes?
Irrelevant as murderers and rapists leave behind evidence a crime took place.

THAT doesn't make sense so I am not going to pretend it does. IF something is a crime, it is illegal to do it PRIVATELY. IF you rape or murder someone behind closed doors, is it no longer a crime?
It's still a crime; it's just impossible to prove a crime took place if there is no evidence one did.
 

Arthur Brain

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Who said anything about torture?

Answer the question and stop deflecting. Would you consider such cruel or not?

What? That you're simply making assumptions? I don't trust that you want to be at all reasonable.

Up to you. If you want to debate like an adult you will, if not then ho hum.

Let me rephrase my question: How is it relevant?

That isn't a rephrasing of anything. It's simply a deflection away from your own erroneous presumption based on your own faulty reading. Your mistake along with your failure to take ownership of it.

Not suspicion enough, idiot.

Completely naive and simplistic rubbish to think otherwise you silly little child. (Oh, isn't this insult crap just so much fun LH?) What you advocate would lead to an absolute nightmare...

Who said anything about a police state?

Oh grief, what the heck else would a society that infringes upon people's private lives and intimate relationships amount to? 'Effectively' that's what we'd have if folk like you had their way. :freak:
 

Cruciform

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If they're caught in the act then arrest them, try them, convict them if the evidence is clear and they are guilty, then execute them.
Are you planning to execute all those who lust after a woman in their heart or who hate their brother, as well?



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Granite

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I'm not making assumptions, I'm telling you the modus operandi of real life anti-homosexual police states.

You're assuming foreign Muslim states would be nations a radicalized America would act like? Doesn't make much sense to me.

But the point I'm making is a fact in today's world, states that prosecute homosexuals do not do so on account of collecting evidence in a PRIVATE relationship, because it's not possible for them to do so.

The current civil rights dynamics in those countries and the west is completely different so it's not a very good comparison.

The point he made is that it wouldn't be possible to prosecute private acts of sodomy, and he is right...

Not really. As usual, Lighthouse is wrong. That's why I don't waste time on his posts anymore and why I'd recommend you do the same.
 

bybee

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There was that pastor who'd suggested containing all homosexual people inside a huge electrical fence. He said they'd die out in a few years, because they wouldn't reproduce. Do folks here think that would be a good idea? He'd said to feed the homosexual prisoners. But wouldn't that be excessive government spending? It's a few million people. I'd think if they'd been rounded up, you could just kill them all then. Why feed them?

Plus, I don't know how public sentiment would be turned. What's the plan for having Americans be okay with putting a few million people behind a huge electrical fence?

And of course this begs the question of "Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
The Nazi's perfected the plan for extermination of all undesirables, Slavs, Jews, Gypsies, mentally or physically handicapped persons.
 

Rusha

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Irrelevant as murderers and rapists leave behind evidence a crime took place.

It is not irrelevant ... crimes should have actual victims who are HARMED *against* their will. Homosexuality is a SIN (religious transgression), not a crime.

It's still a crime; it's just impossible to prove a crime took place if there is no evidence one did.

Whatever ... just how realistic do you believe it is that homosexuality would ever be made a crime worthy of a DP offense? You are unable to convince the majority of citizens. It's a dream ... fantasy ... whatever you wish to call it. However, it isn't reality.
 

genuineoriginal

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The Nazis also exterminated homosexuals!
Nazis were homosexuals.

Welcome to The Pink Swastika 5th (Internet) Edition.

It has been several years since we published the fourth edition of this book. In that time we have accumulated a substantial amount of new documentation supporting our thesis that the Nazi Party was conceived, organized and controlled throughout its short history by masculine-oriented male homosexuals who hid their sexual proclivities from the public, in part by publicly persecuting one group of their political enemies: out-of-the-closet effeminate-oriented homosexuals aligned with the German Communist Party.​
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Nazis were homosexuals.

Welcome to The Pink Swastika 5th (Internet) Edition.

It has been several years since we published the fourth edition of this book. In that time we have accumulated a substantial amount of new documentation supporting our thesis that the Nazi Party was conceived, organized and controlled throughout its short history by masculine-oriented male homosexuals who hid their sexual proclivities from the public, in part by publicly persecuting one group of their political enemies: out-of-the-closet effeminate-oriented homosexuals aligned with the German Communist Party.​

Go back and study your history! The Nazis sent homosexuals to
the camps as well!
 
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