excellent example of MADism:

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john w said:
Made up-you assert that He did not.
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oh course I don't assert He did not die for all our sins...what He did is complete...what you do is not complete




Catch the idiot speaking of the sacrifices, when we are talking about the cross of Christ?

So, you are either a drunk, or a demonic idiot. Which is it?
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We are talking about which sins were forgiven...and yes the sacrifice at the cross forgave those sins you don't even know you do as the Romans were forgiven...but being brought into awareness of them you deny rather than repent...

The Passover was not a sin offering...but a thanks for passing over us offering...


=wrong, devil child. He died for the ungodly, while we were sinners, unrepentant, dirty sinners, and justifies the ungodly


Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.


Romans 5:8 KJV But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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Right just said that...the Passover was for passing over your wretched state...they weren't even asked which sins they committed...if they were murderers or adulterers or forum bullies spreading deceptive lies...they were merely told WHAT TO DO...and asked if they believed they were of Israel and ready to leave Egypt's bondage also known as sin...and oh yeah, had FAITH in HIS going to kill those that didn't...

and of course faith in Him to take them to the promised land...straight into the desert...

Then there is you wanting to be passed over, receiving all the promised milk and honey and also to stay in Egypt...Good luck with dat

Yup while they were yet in Eygpt's bondage the Passover lamb was slain...and while they were still sinning it was killed as sinning wasn't even an issue at that point...there was NO LAW TO POINT OUT SIN YET ya dig?
 
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Right Divider said:
What a nutball!
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Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all none in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

Romans 9:6-8
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.”This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring


Gee, it's even stated in the parts of the Bible you read (or rather, not read :chuckle:)



Also,

Spiritual Israel
 
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john w said:
What a biblical idiot.
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who Paul using this metaphor?

"Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same dspiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them"

Kinda odd phrasing being baptized unto Moses in the cloud drinking drank from a moving rock...but hopefully you can follow it without going into tantrums and hallucinations


"And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea...." 1 Cor. 10:2 KJV

They were identified with Moses. Exodus 14:16, 22="dry ground", Exodus 14:29,15:19="dry land". No water! The Egyptians were wet, not the Israelites.
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identified? They were baptized unto...but hey take it up with Paul...who you claim allows you to just believe and stay in Egypt...

Keep posting, and embarrassing yourself. As musty said, you are a lazy troll, not studying the book, much less the details of the book, but what others says the book teaches..
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Others than you that's for sure...you would not only have us worship the golden calf but also back still in Egypt...
 
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john w said:
No, demon, you argue that this fake "Jesus" of yours only died for the sins you stop doing/repent of, which is a contradiction in terms, and the scripture says just the opposite, of your satanic assertion, moron, as He died for all of our sins, while we were yet sinners, died for the ungodly, unrepentant, miserable sinners, and justifies those same ungodly, unrepentant sinners, idiot.

And the Acts passage has NADA to do with repenting of your sins, you devil child, as you have been shown, for over 2 years-but your daddy devil tells you to keep spamming that passage.
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You have to repent according to the one who prepared the way for Jesus.

Jesus would not have came to the people unless they repented of their sins.

Those who want to be saved now have to prepare their hearts for Jesus to live there and they have to repent of their sins.
 
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Right Divider said:
What a nutball!
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I know right? I mean Christians after the NT worked very hard to distance themselves from Jews...even made their own calendar to separate from them further...and quite a few other changes...NO WAY they were going to be the circumcised (of heart) or citizens of Israel...grafted

And now they come full circle in support of Zionism...the irony...

what was that about IN HIM no Jew or gentile?
 
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clefty said:
Never was...you still don't get it
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The scriptures say the animal sacrifices and circumcision was a shadow.


Colossians 2:17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Hebrews 8:5
They serve at a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary. That is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle, "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."

Hebrews 10:1
The Law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
 
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clefty said:
They NEVER were...you still don't get it
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They were only external regulations until the NEW ORDER.

They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings--external regulations applying until the time of the new order.


The new order is here and the shadows do not apply anymore.
 
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God's Truth said:
The scriptures say the animal sacrifices and circumcision was a shadow.


Colossians 2:17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
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not there...those shadows were food or drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Hebrews 8:5
They serve at a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary. That is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle, "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."
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nor there...nothing about sacrifices or circumcision

Hebrews 10:1
The Law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
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Yup the Law is only a shadow...never able to make perfect...certainly never able to have you justify yourself...

So what's your point? I was addressing your saying some of the Law was worthless...specifically the Sabbath one...

Yet you insist obedience to the other 9...but the way it's all so woven not keeping this one has you breaking others like the first and the second and the stealing one...from Him actually...
 
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clefty said:
not there...those shadows were food or drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

nor there...nothing about sacrifices or circumcision



Yup the Law is only a shadow...never able to make perfect...certainly never able to have you justify yourself...

So what's your point? I was addressing your saying some of the Law was worthless...specifically the Sabbath one...

Yet you insist obedience to the other 9...but the way it's all so woven not keeping this one has you breaking others like the first and the second and the stealing one...from Him actually...
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The Law included animal sacrifices and circumcision. In addition, you need to read all of Hebrews 9, it's there.

As for the Sabbath, the scripture says plainly that it is a shadow.
 
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God's Truth said:
They were only external regulations until the NEW ORDER.

They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings--external regulations applying until the time of the new order.


The new order is here and the shadows do not apply anymore.
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Well at least you left Sabbath out...because He left Sabbath in the New Covenant Order...in fact kept the first day of the new covenant, a Sabbath, doing what the commandment says...such divine design...just like the first full day of the Edenic covenant...

So too did His followers...Europe's first convert Lydia was baptized on the Sabbath...Paul could have told her to wait until the DIVINE SUNDAY EUCHARIST HOUR but well didn't...
 
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clefty said:
Well at least you left Sabbath out...because He left Sabbath in the New Covenant Order...in fact kept the first day of the new covenant, a Sabbath, doing what the commandment says...such divine design...just like the first full day of the Edenic covenant...

So too did His followers...Europe's first convert Lydia was baptized on the Sabbath...Paul could have told her to wait until the DIVINE SUNDAY EUCHARIST HOUR but well didn't...
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The scriptures say all days are the same and observing special days does not affect our salvation.
 
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God's Truth said:
The Law included animal sacrifices and circumcision. In addition, you need to read all of Hebrews 9, it's there.

As for the Sabbath, the scripture says plainly that it is a shadow.
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Yup still is a shadow...still pointing to the good things to come...He is not a thing BTW...so they are not worthless that's for sure...they don't save us but point us to Who does...
 
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john w said:
You made that up.

2 Timothy 4:6 KJV For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.


"Saints...Brethren..."

2 Cor. 2 KJV

6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


And on, and on...



Clueless.
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You didn't bother to read Philippians 3:12,13? It might throw a different light on your warped understanding of the scriptures you quoted.
 
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"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
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You just reply by quoting a scripture and ignore the ones that I posted? You didn't comment at all on Philippians 3:9-16, which shows that Jesus' apostle Paul did not consider himself unalteringly saved until the end of his life.
 
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