Lohmeyer
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Drug Dealing and the Bible
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Nazaroo
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Is marijuana always bad?
Is marijuana always bad?
Consider this link for a moment. (CAUTION: This link is to a site called The Chive. While it is considered safe for viewing at work, some here may still find it inappropriate. Follow it at your own risk.)
Drugs can be and with alarming frequency, are abused. But drugs can and do provide benefits to those who use them. God created marijuana. He created alcohol (naturally occurring in nature) and Willow Bark and a great many other things that can be used to help people. Instead of condemning things because they might get us high, we need to look closely at why God created these substances and ask ourselves what benefit it may possible provide lest we throw the babe out with the bath water, as they say.
Is marijuana always bad?
Consider this link for a moment. (CAUTION: This link is to a site called The Chive. While it is considered safe for viewing at work, some here may still find it inappropriate. Follow it at your own risk.)
Drugs can be and with alarming frequency, are abused. But drugs can and do provide benefits to those who use them. God created marijuana. He created alcohol (naturally occurring in nature) and Willow Bark and a great many other things that can be used to help people. Instead of condemning things because they might get us high, we need to look closely at why God created these substances and ask ourselves what benefit it may possible provide lest we throw the babe out with the bath water, as they say.
Nazaroo
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Unfortunately, God is not the author of confusion.
There is no evidence in Genesis that God created marijuana.
In fact it is well known that the modern 'super-potent' strains of marijuana
are all artificially bred plants that were deliberately created by drug dealers themselves.
This is purely a case of a potentially useful but morally dubious tool,
genetic engineering, run amok.
That God created the original hemp plant, which wouldn't get you high if you smoked 2 pounds of it, there may be little doubt.
Although even that question is now open.
The fact is, although Genesis does record God making plants and animals in the beginning,
there is very little data on what species He actually created.
We are quite certain that men have created thousands of species via genetic destruction and manipulation, and since it only took men a mere 100 years to 'evolve' the technology, its likely that pre-flood civilization also had extensive technology and ability to engage in genetic manipulation.
Its high time modern Christians understood the implications of what is all around us, and acknowledged that a naive and clueless head-in-sand interpretation of Genesis is inadequate for Christians to arm themselves against crafty and clever and very evil drug dealers.
You have posted links to questionable websites,
so I see no reason not to post accurate links to what drug dealing does
to whole countries, with the warning that yes:
EVIL is GRAPHIC and EVIL is HORRIBLE.
And all drug dealing, gun running and prostitution should be mercilessly stamped out.
WARNING
google mexican drug execution at own risk. Horrible pictures of violence against
innocent people will be displayed.
Drug dealers who murder must be hunted down,
honest and proper trials held,
and let convictions and punishments ensue.
shagster01
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
Nazaroo
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Nazaroo
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still waiting for a response from Cabinetmaker on this;
Unfortunately, God is not the author of confusion. There is no evidence in Genesis that God created marijuana. In fact it is well known that the modern 'super-potent' strains of marijuana are all artificially bred plants that were deliberately created by drug dealers themselves. This is purely a case of a potentially useful but morally dubious tool, genetic engineering, run amok. That God created the original hemp plant, which wouldn't get you high if you smoked 2 pounds of it, there may be little doubt. Although even that question is now open. The fact is, although Genesis does record God making plants and animals in the beginning, there is very little data on what species He actually created. We are quite certain that men have created thousands of species via genetic destruction and manipulation, and since it only took men a mere 100 years to 'evolve' the technology, its likely that pre-flood civilization also had extensive technology and ability to engage in genetic manipulation. Its high time modern Christians understood the implications of what is all around us, and acknowledged that a naive and clueless head-in-sand interpretation of Genesis is inadequate for Christians to arm themselves against crafty and clever and very evil drug dealers. You have posted links to questionable websites, so I see no reason not to post accurate links to what drug dealing does to whole countries, with the warning that yes: EVIL is GRAPHIC and EVIL is HORRIBLE. And all drug dealing, gun running and prostitution should be mercilessly stamped out. WARNING google mexican drug execution at own risk. Horrible pictures of violence against innocent people will be displayed. Drug dealers who murder must be hunted down, honest and proper trials held, and let convictions and punishments ensue. |
No, He is not. You, on the other hand, usually are.
There is equally no evidence in Genesis that He specifically did not create marijuana. In fact, there is no exhaustive list in Genesis of exactly each and every plant and animal He created. Or why He created it.
Same with corn and rice and wheat, they have all been heavily modified by men to better suit our own purposes. Sadly, some value money over all else. In any case, it does not change my position that God created the plant in the first place and that it might have some benefits.
This can be said of anything in creation. Sex is a useful tool for having families but there is no doubt that it can also be morally dubious. Your argument is meaningless.
Is is a plant of great commercial value that we in America have foolishly blocked ourselves from using because it looks so much like another plant. Oh, hemp does contain the active ingredients of marijuana.
And God provided all the raw materials we would need.
A pharmacist and a doctor are not crafty drug dealers. There are drugs that are incredibly helpful to people.
There is no question that illicit drug trade perpetrates great evil in many ways. Legal drugs do not fall into that category. People should have access to those beneficial drugs.
Nazaroo
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Well, Cabinetmaker, you opened with a personal attack,
but then ended up in essence agreeing with me:
Yes in a few cases there have apparently been (short term) benefits.
The total impact on the Ecosystem is an entirely different matter however.
Artificially breeding super-potent recreational drugs is hardly a scientific advance,
or the most intelligent use of current scientific knowledge.
In the end you make a very lame plea on behalf of Big Pharma.
Very unconvincing, and alarming.
but then ended up in essence agreeing with me:
Genetic modification of foods, plants and animals is playing with fire.
Yes in a few cases there have apparently been (short term) benefits.
The total impact on the Ecosystem is an entirely different matter however.
Artificially breeding super-potent recreational drugs is hardly a scientific advance,
or the most intelligent use of current scientific knowledge.
In the end you make a very lame plea on behalf of Big Pharma.
Very unconvincing, and alarming.
I opened with a critical observation of the quality of your threads.
Frankly, I don't see any points of agreement between us. I find your view of the world far to paranoid to be of any value.
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Nazaroo
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Yes. You opened off-topic, you open again off-topic here,
and you've stayed off-topic.
You contributed nothing to the thread.
You are a sad little troll.
Troll somewhere else.
Nazaroo
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Brain images showing decreased dopamine2 receptors in the brain of a person addicted to cocaine versus a nondrug user. The dopamine system is important for conditioning and motivation, and alterations such as this are likely responsible, in part, for the diminished sensitivity to natural rewards that develops with addiction. Photo courtesy National Institutes of Health
Dr. Nora Volkow is the director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse at the National Institutes of Health. She studies how drugs affect the human brain. A leading research psychiatrist and scientist, Volkow sees addiction as a disease, not a moral failing. Her research has also led her to discover parallels between substance abuse and obesity. For example, a person who overeats often experiences similar changes in brain activity and behavior as that of an addict. Volkow’s family history is as intriguing as her work: She is the great-granddaughter of Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky and grew up in the house where he was assassinated. Dr. Volkow talks about addiction and her efforts to cure it.
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2012-07-09/dr-nora-volkow
Addiction, addict, ajudged.
There are certain words, which describe the situation or circumstances of a group of people or indeed an individual, which have fallen into misuse. The kind of misuse that gives glory to humanity, while bringing into question the sovereignty of the Eternal Almighty. The wrong interpretation/understanding of these words and their continued misuse denies His sovereignty in administration.
Addict is one of these words. Those unfortunate people that have addictions to drugs or alcohol are looked upon by society as being foolish or stupid for ‘’having thrown their life away’’ or ‘’wasting their lives’’. These statements infer that the person made a conscious or controlled decision to become an addict. This of course means that the individual is in control and if only they would, ‘’pull themselves together’’ they could be free of addiction.
The root meaning of addict is adjudged. The recipient of the judgment is imprisoned by the substance or circumstance to which they have an insatiable craving or desire. That’s why they are known as life controlling substances. They are bound by the judgment to the accompanying torments, tribulation and anguish. Within this prison, ‘’there is no peace unto the wicked’’.
Addictions can be to sports or pastimes or of course religion. There can be a zeal that is shown towards the true worship of the Almighty, but is practiced outside of salvation that becomes addictive. This is particularly the case where the addict has a leadership role and gets his weekly or biweekly hit or rush at meetings where he is the center of attention. In Welsh chapels and denominational churches this can be seen in the ‘man worship’ of the minister by the flock or audience, as the case may be.
One of the Puritans said that it is a good thing for a man to attend a church meeting, but if the man is not saved at the meeting it is better that he should cease to attend. Because there is a danger he might begin to enjoy religion and that at some stage he may be ‘encouraged’ and told he has an ability to preach or teach and the man begins a ministry. He then becomes a blind guide and from that judgment there is very little hope of escape.
Anyone addicted has been ajudged. The addiction is the judgment against the sin of the individual and/or of society where the judgment is the lust that accompanies homosexuality. If he is forgiven and granted repentance the judgment is lifted. That man is liberated indeed.
We must take great care in how we think of poor unfortunate souls who are addicted (ajudged) and how we deal with them or else we could fall under addiction (judgment) ourselves.
The just also fall under judgment, trials or testing, but we have the promise that the Good Shepherd will come looking for and deliver us.
There are certain words, which describe the situation or circumstances of a group of people or indeed an individual, which have fallen into misuse. The kind of misuse that gives glory to humanity, while bringing into question the sovereignty of the Eternal Almighty. The wrong interpretation/understanding of these words and their continued misuse denies His sovereignty in administration.
Addict is one of these words. Those unfortunate people that have addictions to drugs or alcohol are looked upon by society as being foolish or stupid for ‘’having thrown their life away’’ or ‘’wasting their lives’’. These statements infer that the person made a conscious or controlled decision to become an addict. This of course means that the individual is in control and if only they would, ‘’pull themselves together’’ they could be free of addiction.
The root meaning of addict is adjudged. The recipient of the judgment is imprisoned by the substance or circumstance to which they have an insatiable craving or desire. That’s why they are known as life controlling substances. They are bound by the judgment to the accompanying torments, tribulation and anguish. Within this prison, ‘’there is no peace unto the wicked’’.
Addictions can be to sports or pastimes or of course religion. There can be a zeal that is shown towards the true worship of the Almighty, but is practiced outside of salvation that becomes addictive. This is particularly the case where the addict has a leadership role and gets his weekly or biweekly hit or rush at meetings where he is the center of attention. In Welsh chapels and denominational churches this can be seen in the ‘man worship’ of the minister by the flock or audience, as the case may be.
One of the Puritans said that it is a good thing for a man to attend a church meeting, but if the man is not saved at the meeting it is better that he should cease to attend. Because there is a danger he might begin to enjoy religion and that at some stage he may be ‘encouraged’ and told he has an ability to preach or teach and the man begins a ministry. He then becomes a blind guide and from that judgment there is very little hope of escape.
Anyone addicted has been ajudged. The addiction is the judgment against the sin of the individual and/or of society where the judgment is the lust that accompanies homosexuality. If he is forgiven and granted repentance the judgment is lifted. That man is liberated indeed.
We must take great care in how we think of poor unfortunate souls who are addicted (ajudged) and how we deal with them or else we could fall under addiction (judgment) ourselves.
The just also fall under judgment, trials or testing, but we have the promise that the Good Shepherd will come looking for and deliver us.
The root of the word addict is ajudged. All judgement is from above.
I can't help but note that you ignored every salient point I made and decided to call me a troll and run away. Is that the best you can do when challenged?Yes. You opened off-topic, you open again off-topic here,
and you've stayed off-topic.
You contributed nothing to the thread.
You are a sad little troll.
Troll somewhere else.
WonderfulLordJesus
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Let's get this straight. Parent is likely in a diabetes conspiracy by sugar with the clerk at CVS, unbeknownst to them, but guaranteeing the lake of fire for them, should have bought certified organic or something to escape damnation? Anyway, roasting in hell for the likes of one too many candy bars, and you sign it, "peace Nazaroo."
You're a funny guy, really!
Nazaroo
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I'm the very last person to ever support the "Blame the Parent" movement,
which is nothing more than an excuse and a coverup of
a large kidnapping ring and child molesting / child trafficking network
which is run by homosexual lawyers inside the government and supported
by the police and CAS/CPS fronts.
See my threads here:
The Story of How the Province of Ontario was Handed over to Homos
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105916
Canadian Govt now admits over 1,200 missing native girls, not 600
No Bloodguilt for killing a CAS worker
However, there should not be an expectation of much sympathy for a parent
who teaches their own children to break the Food Laws of God,
and who by example engage in Fornication, Adultery, Recreational Drug Use.
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked.
What a man sows, he reaps.
Galatians 6:7
Nazaroo
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I also examined this in another thread