Does Open Theism make us view eschatology differently?

Clete

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Isaiah's writing frequently jump from one prophecy to another. As in Isa 65:17-19, the time period is after the Millennium. after the White Throne Judgement. The old world of today is no more for a new earth has been created with no sea. Also, a new heavens have also been made.....rem,the 1st heaven -- we are living in...

In Verse 20, Isaiah is speaking of the millennium. A golden period as you have said, there is no doubt. yet, there will be death during this time unlike the time spoken of in v17-19. The death I speak of is only caused by sin itself...The Remnant of Israel have been given the promised "New Covenant" by the Lord. It is evident from Jeremiah 31-35, that while the remnant of Israel are mortal and can have children, none from their group shall see death. Therefore, the only death during the millennium will be of the gentiles. That is what I wanted you to get out of it.
Incomprehensible stupidity!

My first version of this post was decidedly blistering. It's rare to find something so stunningly idiotic that you have to check yourself to see if you actually read it correctly. What follows is an edited version of my original post that is quite a lot less hostile....

Isaiah's writing frequently jump from one prophecy to another. As in Isa 65:17-19, the time period is after the Millennium. after the White Throne Judgement. The old world of today is no more for a new earth has been created with no sea...

So the passage leaps into the eternal state in verse 17, then apparently snaps back into the Millennium in verse 20? On what basis? It’s one thing to say prophetic literature can contain telescoped visions, but here, we're not dealing with overlapping layers of prophecy so much as a self-serving game of prophetic hopscotch. The passage itself gives no indication of supporting this idea at all.


In Verse 20, Isaiah is speaking of the millennium... yet there will be death during this time unlike the time spoken of in v17-19...

Which only makes the previous claim more puzzling. The argument now is that Isaiah suddenly rewinds his prophetic lens, openly contradicts the tone of the previous verses, and introduces a new period with different ground rules. All without any textual marker, narrative shift, or prophetic reintroduction. It's just a hard pivot that we're expected to accept because Bladerunner makes the claim.


The death I speak of is only caused by sin itself...The Remnant of Israel have been given the promised "New Covenant"... none from their group shall see death... the only death during the millennium will be of the gentiles.

This part takes the cake. I mean WOW!!!

“The death I speak of is only caused by sin... therefore only Gentiles die.”

So only Gentiles sin? Is that really what Bladerunner believes? He talks of the bible in such lofty terms but ignores some of its most important passages in order to build an eschatology that ONLY HE believes!

I have a news flash for you Bladerunner! All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God - Jew and Gentile alike (Romans 3:23). If sin causes death, and people still die in the Millennium, then the death is the result of sin, not ethnicity. The attempt to draw this clean line where Israel gets an automatic exemption from death because of the New Covenant is pure fiction.

You've created a class of immortal Jews living among mortal, dying Gentiles, not because the text says so, but because...well, there is no "because"...it just seems to be made up out of whole clothe! Isaiah doesn’t say any of this. Jeremiah doesn’t say it. The New Covenant certainly doesn’t say it. But apparently, the best way to interpret a passage is to throw in entirely new theological categories on the fly and pretend it’s all self-evident because you showed up to tell us about it!

That is what I wanted you to get out of it.

Well, what I actually got out of it was a reminder of just how far someone can drift from the text when they start building doctrine from implications of implications of assumptions. There’s nothing wrong with noticing thematic shifts or layered prophecy, but if you have to rewrite the plain reading, add whole classes of people that the passage never introduces, and contradict your own timeframe within three sentences, maybe it’s time to let the text speak for itself.
 

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But apparently, the best way to interpret a passage is to throw in entirely new theological categories on the fly and pretend it’s all self-evident because you showed up to tell us about it!

This is something I've been working on for a long time. It's easy to just say something and expect other people to take what you say as truth. It's quite another thing entirely to actually support your claim with good argumentation and evidence.
 

Clete

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This is something I've been working on for a long time. It's easy to just say something and expect other people to take what you say as truth. It's quite another thing entirely to actually support your claim with good argumentation and evidence.
You and me both! How many years have we practically begged people to make an actual argument instead of just showing up to state personal opinions.

It truly is one of the very strongest aspects of Acts 9 Dispensational Open Theism. It seems like everyone who believes it is eager to make the arguments that support their doctrine. Everyone else is either openly irrational or seem to be embarrassed by the flimsy nature of the arguments that they can make. The rare exception are almost always instantly offended by anyone who isn't instantly convinced by their arguments and immediately start calling us names and telling everyone how horrible we are as people and why we should be silenced.
 
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