It's still a metaphor, even how you are using it. He doesn't hit them on the head with an iron scepter.
You didn't answer the question.
It's still a metaphor, even how you are using it. He doesn't hit them on the head with an iron scepter.
question Clete: God partially blinded Israel on the very first day Jesus rode into Jerusalem. Today they still deny Jesus as their Messiah and we are told that 2/3 of their population (future) will die because of it (indirectly). My question is: Could not God partially blind Satan? After all he is a created being! For we are told what exactly will happen during the 'day of the Lord' and where/what the anti-christ (man of sin and the Son-of Perdition (Satan himself) will be doing during this time. thanks for your timeWell, that's just the point I'm trying to make. Our interpretation of prophecy is one thing, it's actual fulfillment is quite another and, on top of that, prophecy is not prewritten history.
Take Isaiah 53, for example. We can see in hind sight that it is quite an explicit prophecy about a suffering Messiah but before the fact, it was as hidden from view as it would have been had it not been written at all. Had God's plan of salvation been an prophesied in an overtly explicit manner, Satan would have worked against having it ever happen. As it was, God was wise enough to put it in there sufficient to prove that it was His plan and that the events that unfolded were being orchestrated by Him but He did so in a way that kept His enemies in the dark as to His real intentions. I see no reason to expect that end time prophesied will not be fulfilled in a similar manner.
Although, having said that, God knows His enemies better than they know themselves. It isn't out of the question that He makes it so that the antichrist does what is prophesied because there's just no other reasonable course for him to take as though God has put a hook in his jaw (See Ezekiel 38). God manipulates nations in this way throughout the Old Testament and it isn't difficult for God to know what whole populations of people will do in response to particular circumstances which He is very capable of setting up.
We are told those who do not accept Jesus during this period (100yrs) they will be thrown into the Lake of fire and Brimstone. While the threat of death is certainly a deterrent, the though of eternity in the lake of fire would bring on much worse thoughts and fears.Do you think murder will be punishable by death penalty?
Can you give scripture for that? I'm not disagreeing, but that statement is not in the bible, afaik.We are told those who do not accept Jesus during this period (100yrs) they will be thrown into the Lake of fire and Brimstone.
That thought would be unlikely to be in their minds, like it is not in the minds of so many today.While the threat of death is certainly a deterrent, the though of eternity in the lake of fire would bring on much worse thoughts and fears.
I'm reminded of God "hardening Pharaoh's heart" in Exodus. How exactly did that happen?question Clete: God partially blinded Israel on the very first day Jesus rode into Jerusalem. Today they still deny Jesus as their Messiah and we are told that 2/3 of their population (future) will die because of it (indirectly). My question is: Could not God partially blind Satan? After all he is a created being! For we are told what exactly will happen during the 'day of the Lord' and where/what the anti-christ (man of sin and the Son-of Perdition (Satan himself) will be doing during this time. thanks for your time
They would have to see things of old in say the New Mexico territory where a murderer would be hung in front of every one. Or Saddam Hussein. I watched his on cell phone video 5 minutes after the new government executed him.You speak as though you have no idea what actual justice looks like anymore, Derf!
which part? I'll start with the first part, the Sheep and Goat Judgement at the beginning of the Millennium.....His 1000 year reign physically on earth. Mat 25:31-46Can you give scripture for that? I'm not disagreeing, but that statement is not in the bible, afaik.
No, I do not agree...It is in their minds and will only be remembered when the very possibility becomes true.That thought would be unlikely to be in their minds, like it is not in the minds of so many today.
Isa 65:20....."There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." Notice that the first part speaks of a child shall die at a 100 years old. All thru the Bible, the Lord Jesus has described Children as being those that blessed...Here we see they at 100 years of age, they either accept Him or as the next part states, (the sinner) shall be accursed and dies. It appears there will be many sinners during the last 100th year as Satan is release from the bottomless pit and bring a Gog/Magog scenario (AGAIN) to surround Jerusalem. This time the Lord is having nothing of it, for He sends fire down and dorvoures their bodies. I have no doubt the souls ended up in the lake of fire and brimstone.Can you give scripture for that? I'm not disagreeing, but that statement is not in the bible, afaik.
That thought would be unlikely to be in their minds, like it is not in the minds of so many today.
Ok, you're talking about accepting Jesus as king at the beginning of 1000 years? But that judgment is based on how they acted prior to His return, not on what they do in the 1000 years, don't you think?which part? I'll start with the first part, the Sheep and Goat Judgement at the beginning of the Millennium.....His 1000 year reign physically on earth. Mat 25:31-46
Maybe. But that means you think all mankind currently should also be thinking of it, but they aren't, since it "will only be remembered when the very possibility becomes true". So it isn't "on their minds".No, I do not agree...It is in their minds and will only be remembered when the very possibility becomes true.
Just because you have no doubt doesn't mean scripture says it.Isa 65:20....."There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." Notice that the first part speaks of a child shall die at a 100 years old. All thru the Bible, the Lord Jesus has described Children as being those that blessed...Here we see they at 100 years of age, they either accept Him or as the next part states, (the sinner) shall be accursed and dies. It appears there will be many sinners during the last 100th year as Satan is release from the bottomless pit and bring a Gog/Magog scenario (AGAIN) to surround Jerusalem. This time the Lord is having nothing of it, for He sends fire down and dorvoures their bodies. I have no doubt the souls ended up in the lake of fire and brimstone.
We are speaking about the sheep and goat Judgements just prior to the millennium as well as judgements at 100 years into the millennium itself. Rem, at the beginning of the millennium, the only believers on earth are the Remnant of Israel.Ok, you're talking about accepting Jesus as king at the beginning of 1000 years? But that judgment is based on how they acted prior to His return, not on what they do in the 1000 years, don't you think?
Only on the few who find the narrow path...will it be on their minds. Yes, as you said, it is not on the minds of 'many', those who have follow the wide path to destruction.Maybe. But that means you think all mankind currently should also be thinking of it, but they aren't, since it "will only be remembered when the very possibility becomes true". So it isn't "on their minds".
Derf: when you read Isa 65, what do you see? How is it written? to you! Yes, I have NO doubts about the Word of GOD and the fact that it is One Book that is integrated within itself throughout. It has so many wonders in it, so many mysteries. Rem, Jesus tells us the 'end from the beginning'...the very first word: "In the Beginning" (Gen 1:1). I understand from your point of view that the Bible cannot be 'You fill this in' for I only know you do not feel as I do about God's WORD, the Holy BibleJust because you have no doubt doesn't mean scripture says it.
I see talk about what happens during a golden age period where people will live well past 100 years. Is that what you are referring to?Derf: when you read Isa 65, what do you see?
How do you mean "to me"?How is it written? to you!
I don't know what you mean.Yes, I have NO doubts about the Word of GOD and the fact that it is One Book that is integrated within itself throughout. It has so many wonders in it, so many mysteries. Rem, Jesus tells us the 'end from the beginning'...the very first word: "In the Beginning" (Gen 1:1). I understand from your point of view that the Bible cannot be 'You fill this in' for I only know you do not feel as I do about God's WORD, the Holy Bible
Isaiah's writing frequently jump from one prophecy to another. As in Isa 65:17-19, the time period is after the Millennium. after the White Throne Judgement. The old world of today is no more for a new earth has been created with no sea. Also, a new heavens have also been made.....rem,the 1st heaven -- we are living in...I see talk about what happens during a golden age period where people will live well past 100 years. Is that what you are referring to?
You answered it quite well. thanksHow do you mean "to me"
Trying to see how you see the Bible and God's Word...which is why I gave you what I see in all of God's Word. It was not a gotcha question? Apologies if it offended.How do you mean "to me"? I don't know what you mean.
I guess this is where you lose me Derf. In Rev 2:27, the letter to Thyratira, Jesus tells the church that "And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father." While Jesus does rule the millennium perfectly, Isa 65:20 tell us that there are those (gentiles) that will not accept Jesus during the first hundred years of their life.How many children of all the nations of gentiles are under the age of 100 at the end of the 1,000 years and How many of these are sinners that will die but only in this case, they will follow Satan to their end. Does that make sense to you?How God can know the future impacts what He tells us of it. So if He tells us of specific acts of specific people, then either it is because those people existed when the prophecy was written, or someone that existed at that time will be causing the actions, which is the type of determinism that OT allows for.
For instance, Satan, when loosed from the pit at the end of 1000 years, will gather the world and surround the camp of the saints. Satan existed already, and so God knows him and his character, and the type of things he would do after being incarcerated for 1000 years:
Revelation 20:7-9 KJV — And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
What's less clear to me is how God knows that some many of the "nations" will follow Satan, when Christ has been ruling perfectly for 1000 years.
"Mortal" means "able to die". Not sure how that fits with "none shall see death".Isaiah's writing frequently jump from one prophecy to another. As in Isa 65:17-19, the time period is after the Millennium. after the White Throne Judgement. The old world of today is no more for a new earth has been created with no sea. Also, a new heavens have also been made.....rem,the 1st heaven -- we are living in...
In Verse 20, Isaiah is speaking of the millennium. A golden period as you have said, there is no doubt. yet, there will be death during this time unlike the time spoken of in v17-19. The death I speak of is only caused by sin itself...The Remnant of Israel have been given the promised "New Covenant" by the Lord. It is evident from Jeremiah 31-35, that while the remnant of Israel are mortal and can have children, none from their group shall see death.
I just don't see it as so absolute. The mortals might still die, but not from natural causes, and not as much from murders and such.Therefore, the only death during the millennium will be of the gentiles. That is what I wanted you to get out of it.
If they are still having children, and people live to be 1000, there will be quite a few.I guess this is where you lose me Derf. In Rev 2:27, the letter to Thyratira, Jesus tells the church that "And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father." While Jesus does rule the millennium perfectly, Isa 65:20 tell us that there are those (gentiles) that will not accept Jesus during the first hundred years of their life.How many children of all the nations of gentiles are under the age of 100 at the end of the 1,000 years
Yes, but I didn't see how @JudgeRightly's description allowed for such.and How many of these are sinners that will die but only in this case, they will follow Satan to their end. Does that make sense to you?
Yes, something I have questioned myself about...Yet, even in the New Earth and Jerusalem, there will be no death and all who were on earth appear to be mortal. I suspect the Tree of Life and the new Covenant has something to do with this, yet we are not told specifically much of anything for this period of time."Mortal" means "able to die". Not sure how that fits with "none shall see death".
I just don't see it as so absolute. The mortals might still die, but not from natural causes, and not as much from murders and such.
I agree but keep in mind that those who do not accept Jesus will at the age of one hundred will die. It is said that those who die at a early age of 100 have been accursed. Thus, one is only going to have the final (900 to 1000 yrs) as who will be sinners and die.If they are still having children, and people live to be 1000, there will be quite a few.
I looked these up and like you not sure where they fit in. GOD cannot sin which is the only thing the Bible states He cannot do. As in James 1:13.."Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" This is the only "God Cannot" in the Bible.Yes, but I didn't see how @JudgeRightly's description allowed for such.