Does Luke 19:44 disprove Preterism?

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There's one major problem with your acknowledgement.

None of what you call "truth" existed before Darby.

That's because Darby invented it.

He just lied-again. I have his quotes where he said Darby's truth is correct.

Is not all false doctrine "invented," you engager in sophistry?
 

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I agree with you.

A lot of cult ideas were spawned around the mid-19th century.

Such as Preterism/"AD 70-ism," "Originals Only-ism."


J. Stuart Russell "invented" AD 70-ism.

Quite irrelevant, however, as when you discover objective truth, is irrelevant in determining its veracity.
 

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darby stuff is man made

That says nothing, as all doctrine, which one asserts is false, is, by definition, "man made."

Is yours "God made?"

That does NADA for your argument, or mine/others.


It's a fluff cliche.
 
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Not true Darby.
No one taught that Jesus came back twice until Darby invented it.

Vs.

"That's not my argument. I have never said that dispensationalism was "wrong" because of how old it was. I specifically said that no one taught about Christ coming back twice before Darby did."-Tet.

"No matter how hard you try, you can't take away the fact that dispensationalism was invented by John Nelson Darby in the mid 1800's...Why are most dispensationalists afraid and/or embarrassed to acknowledge that Darby invented what they believe?"-Deceiver Tet.


"My argument is that if there is not one single trace of something for 1,800+ years by anyone, then it was invented.”-Tet.


"... Deep down you know that your belief system has only been around for not even 50 years, and that it was "developed" by men..."-con artist Partial Preterist Soddy Tet.

"...Your false teachings of men is a false teaching since there is not one trace of it in the first three centuries. None of the early church fathers taught your theory, its only about 50 years old."-con artist Partial Preterist Soddy Tet.

"MAD didn't exist until the mid 1800's"-con artist Partial Preterist Soddy Tet."



Tet,-the habitual liar, and deceiver. He will not address this above, on record, lie-he is so obsessed with MAD, and has a "man" crush on me, he will lie on any subject.
 

tetelestai

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StP, fascinating point you raise. Genea can also mean an age.

It's also interesting that He said "this generation will not pass away," not "will not die."

(Matt 24:22) “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.


Must :think: more on this...

No matter how hard you guys try, you can't make the Bible fit the false teachings of John Nelson Darby.
 

john w

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No matter how hard you guys try, you can't make the Bible fit the false teachings of John Nelson Darby.


Please spam that again, wimpy Tetellalie...Please?


And get a job, infidel. Don't you believe Paul? You taught us that, devil boy.
 

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I have already showed many men who taught Preterism before Alcasar.

To date, not one person has ever showed anyone who taught what Darby invented before Darby.

No one taught Preterism/ADD 70-ism until J. Stuart Russell.

We have already showed many men who taught dispensationalism before Darby.


See how that assertion stumpers work, Wimpy?
 

tetelestai

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No one taught Preterism/ADD 70-ism until J. Stuart Russell.

You Darby Followers should really make up your minds:

Luis de Alcasar invented Preterism

Alcasar died over 200 years before Russell was born.

However, with Dispensationalism, it's undisputed that Darby invented it.

From Wikipedia:

"John Nelson Darby is recognized as the father of dispensationalism.....As there was no Christian teaching of a "rapture" before Darby began preaching about it in the 1830s"
 

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Luke 19:44 disproves preterism.

:plain:

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.


http://templemountlocation.com/diagramOfTempleMount.html
 

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They were of the generation of Jesus' contemporaries.



No one alive today was who Jesus was referring to when He used the phrase "this generation" throughout the gospels.

Mat 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
 

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Luke 19:44 makes it crystal clear that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD because that generation of Jews rejected the Messiah that was sent to them.

Christ Jesus called that generation a brood of vipers, an evil generation, and told them their father was Satan.

Christ Jesus also made it crystal clear that some of those Jews from that evil generation would still be alive when the destruction came in 70AD.

Christ Jesus also told His Disciples that some of them would not taste death before the destruction of Jerusalem took place.

Everything Christ Jesus prophesied, did in fact take place in 70AD

Dispensationalists hate these verses because it proves their false teachings wrong.

If the whole church was gathered in 70 ad beginning with those who had fallen asleep in Christ then the whole remaining church according to Paul....why are WE here? who ARE we?
 

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What we call the rapture is really the second resurrection , Paul spoke about those who claimed the resurrection was past....making shipwreck of their faith.
 

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How could Jesus have commissioned the church to preach the good news in all the world making disciples of every nation in less than 50 years?
 

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Why didn't every eye see Christ's return?

Every Roman Ceasar is recorded in history, their life story is known...but nothing is written about Antichrist?
 

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You Darby Followers should really make up your minds:




You Preterist/AD 70-ism devil followers, and Josephus, J Stuart Russell, followers, should make up your mind:


"That's not my argument. I have never said that dispensationalism was "wrong" because of how old it was.
I specifically said that no one taught about Christ coming back twice before Darby did."-Tet.

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"No matter how hard you try, you can't take away the fact that dispensationalism was invented by John Nelson Darby in the mid 1800's...Why are most dispensationalists afraid and/or embarrassed to acknowledge that Darby invented what they believe?"-Deceiver Tet.


"My argument is that if there is not one single trace of something for 1,800+ years by anyone, then it was invented.”-Tet.


"... Deep down you know that your belief system has only been around for not even 50 years, and that it was "developed" by men..."-con artist Partial Preterist Soddy Tet.

"...Your false teachings of men is a false teaching since there is not one trace of it in the first three centuries. None of the early church fathers taught your theory, its only about 50 years old."-con artist Partial Preterist Soddy Tet.

"MAD didn't exist until the mid 1800's"-con artist Partial Preterist Soddy Tet."



Tetellalie's father, the devil, the father of lies, taught him how to lie well. Your daddy is applauding you right now, Craigie...


However, with Dispensationalism, it's undisputed that Darby invented it.
1.Made up. You've been shown otherwise but daddy devil keeps telling you to spam the above, and you have been given the evidence, wimp. Paul taught it, you punk, and no matter how much you try to spin scriptures, craftily dismiss them, with "figurative...not literal....allegory...," we are on to your devlish lies, denial.


2. It's irrelevant as to when truth is discovered, devil boy. Craigie once again asserts that Roman Catholicism is true, The Reformation in the 1500's isi false, and "Spherical earth-ism" is false.

3. Is not all false doctrine, "invented," sweetie boy? How does that "invented istumper bode for your argument, sissy?

Craigie: God can invent.


4. It is undisputed, that you "invented" this satanic "doctrine:"

-That the lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law, the law that he never taught,

-People are brought too Christ, in the past, and now, by being taught the law, by the Levites, by Christ rejecting Jews, and not by the LORD God, who,by definition, is the Lord Jesus Christ,

-That the Lord Jesus Christ lost His "flesh and bone" body, upon ascending to heaven, and thus is not a man today, is just some "disembodied spirit," and thus is not the mediator between God and man,

-That there is no redemption of the body,the adoption, promised to members of the boc, thus perverting the gospel of Christ, 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV...


And you cannot provide anyone, on record, that ever taught this satanic "doctrine" of yours, before you did.


Right Craigie pie?


Demon.





From Wikipedia:

Once again, one of Craigie's "infallabe" authorities- Wiki, added to his other infallable authority, Josephus.
 
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tetelestai

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If the whole church was gathered in 70 ad

The whole church wasn't gathered in 70AD

In fact, Jesus made it clear in Luke 21 for the Christians to flee Judea, to flee the city, and for those in the country not to go to the city.

(Luke 21:21) Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.

Luke 21:21 is the exact opposite of a gathering
beginning with those who had fallen asleep in Christ

The dead in Christ were resurrected and taken to heaven. No one saw this happen

then the whole remaining church according to Paul....why are WE here? who ARE we?

That's not what Paul says.

Paul says those of us who are alive AND REMAIN....

We are here now, we live in the new covenant, we are supposed to preach the gospel of Christ, and everyday more people enter the Body of Christ.

Why is that a bad thing?
 

tetelestai

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Why didn't every eye see Christ's return?

For some reason, you think the return of Christ was supposed to be like the movie Independence Day, when Will Smith walked out his front door and saw a giant spaceship in the sky.

Every Roman Ceasar is recorded in history, their life story is known...but nothing is written about Antichrist?

(1 John 2:18) Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

Does what John wrote above sound like he is saying an antichrist is going to come 2,000 years in the future?
 
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