Probably Aquinas philosophy, not biblical theology.
Does God know all things that are, have been, and will be?
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Probably Aquinas philosophy, not biblical theology.
andyc
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From an earthly perspective this is true, not from a heavenly perspective.
Hebrews 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Plus the term "it is finished" would be incoherent!
That's because you can't read.
That's because you're an idiot who doesn't know the meaning of the word "could." Go look it up.
What?
What does lust have to do with it?
Of course you don't.:doh:
While the presence of God is not everywhere, the eye's of the Lord see's everything that is happening in heaven and earth in present time.
God does not have time as if were a thing, God has freedom, freewill. He is free to do or not to do. A timeless God who sees everything all at once, also does everything all at once, means he does not have a will with the power not to do something.
In the beginning, God created...here is a beginning point for us that proves God is sequential in what he does. This is God's perspective. Liberalism is the logical conclusion of a timelessness.
--Dave
God does not have time as if were a thing, God has freedom, freewill. He is free to do or not to do. A timeless God who sees everything all at once, also does everything all at once, means he does not have a will with the power not to do something.
In the beginning, God created...here is a beginning point for us that proves God is sequential in what he does. This is God's perspective. Liberalism is the logical conclusion of a timelessness.
--Dave
Lon
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Yes, but gravity isn't His reality. We are discussing time in the same light, that it cannot apply to Him. Keep up sir
Lon
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Yes, but it is our contention that "it is a new direction" (creating something new and all?). Can you please try and wrap your mind around the concept?
Lon
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This is indeed the problem with open theism thinking. It is impossible to assert this and nearly the whole of the open view is contingent upon this faulty logic/assumption.
Prove the above to me please, and I'll become an open theist.
Lon
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No, this is ignoring that God is relational to our duration. "It is finished" is indeed expressed in our time because there is a point A and B to measure/conceive of time. God can appoint these but they have nothing to do with His own existence other than as He interacts with what is created. Example again:
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Time cannot exist without two points to measure, either physically or conceptually. I offered Dave an opportunity to prove that God's past is over but I already knew that I've proved otherwise and it is a solid proof of reality. Having no beginning, God either has a past that is not over or no past at all persay. Why? Because as #1 shows, there is nothing to measure therefore no time measurement or concept is possible. It is impossible to assign time specifically because God doesn't have a point A to measure or conceive.
#2 is any action of God. Yes there is duration but no God is not constrained by what He creates. In the same way I am relational to, yet unbound by a toy train around my Christmas tree, God is relational to yet apart from whatever He creates. It is this simple whether anyone acquiesces the point or not. Time can only exist within confines. God is not contained by anything other than Himself.
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I AM. Look it up. :AMR:
God is independent, and claims it so in his own name-- he makes himself known as absolute being, as the one who is in an absolute sense.
BTW, if your litmus test is explicit words, where in the Bible do we find the word "Trinity"? Best to stick with "by good and necessary consequence" of the whole counsel of God when determining doctrine, no?
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Why am I not surprised you're leaving the conversation instead of standing your ground?
Lon
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No, but because we'd have no idea when to start it with Him or what direction we were timing. God's either has no past that we can comprehend or it is currently going on forever which is completely outside of time's concept and reference. The fact proves that time (duration) is inapplicable to God.
Lon
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Time is a concept/measurement of forward momentum concerning a point in the past to a current point now, or a reference from the past to past duration. God has no beginning (no point A) nor an end (no point B).
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Lon
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If you measure His succession, it goes in at least both directions, unlike our one. Look at the line and tell me how only unidirectional succession is possible without a reference point for movement/duration.
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