The commands of God communicated by the scribes and pharisees ought to be obeyed, as Jesus said, whether they obeyed them themselves or not.
Do you obey Jesus?
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The commands of God communicated by the scribes and pharisees ought to be obeyed, as Jesus said, whether they obeyed them themselves or not.
SaulToPaul 2
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ClimateSanity
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That certainly is laying up treasures on earth. Take good care of your kids and they will take care of you when you can't.
It's not my difficulty.
I am full aware that not all the commands of Jesus should be obeyed by every follower He has ever had.
So why even attempt to say that we should obey everything Jesus commanded?
You can either accept that we should obey every command of Jesus, or that we should not obey every command of Jesus.
Obviously we should not obey every command of Jesus, as you readily admit that you do not obey that particular command.
Then you readily admit that not all commands of Jesus are to be obeyed by us.
The command was for His disciples to heal the sick, cleanse the leapers, raise the dead, cast out demons.
Are you obeying that?
I know I'm not.
I haven't done any of those things.
Are you saying you believe you should not obey Jesus? Either you should obey Jesus or you should not obey Jesus. Therefore, you should obey Jesus.
Is something preventing you from leaving all, selling all you have?
You did not "argue" that. You argued:
"I believe all of His commands are to be obeyed."-Jacob
Do it.
"I believe all of His commands are to be obeyed."-Jacob
You also believe "all of His commands" does not mean "all"-there is "wiggle room."
Deception. And just to whom do you think that you are "debating" on this great forum-your Uncle Joe, whoosamovin' kinda slow?
"I believe all of His commands are to be obeyed."-Jacob
Translated: All of His commands are to be obeyed, except for those that were not intended for me, Jacob, as "all of" does not really mean "all of," or I need to take another hit off my bong, you see, uh, urr............
Another self righteous fraud is marked/identified/exposed/outed.
What I meant was is there something you have to get past in order to obey Jesus.
I have no idea what you are telling me to do. But I do know that whatever Jesus has commanded for your obedience you should obey.
No wiggle room at all john w.
What do you know about my uncle Joe?
You are not making sense.
My uncle Joe is dead. Why are you making an issue of that on this thread? This thread is about obeying Jesus. It has nothing to do with anyone's uncle.
"I believe all of His commands are to be obeyed."-you
Is there something you have to get past in order to obey "Jesus," where he tells you to leave all, sell all you have, and show yourself to a Levitical priest?
You're a fraud, asserting "I believe all of His commands are to be obeyed," but when challenged by us to obey one of the commands" of "Jesus," part of the "all of," you spin like a top, twisted in a ball of neurons, and ropes, and yarn, and cobwebs, so much so, that you cannot think straight, as birds and stars circle that mind full of mush of yours.
Sell all you have, per "I believe all of His commands are to be obeyed."
The elevator is not going up, here, folks.
"No wiggle room at all john w."-you
Sell all you have.
No. If you make an exception then not all of Jesus' commands are to be obeyed. So don't make an exception.
If what prevents you is that you are a Gentile then you may have some things to work through. Because even Gentiles are to obey Jesus.
If you are a Jew then either you believe there is a new covenant or you don't. And you either believe you should obey the commands found in the old covenant or you don't.
Jesus observed and taught the Law. He taught Jews the Law. Paul said that God's Law, the Law of Moses which is the Law of Israel, is or was so that all the world becomes accountable to God. You either obey it or you don't.
Can you say you don't obey the Law but you do obey Jesus? Not if Jesus observed and taught the Law. Does this statement apply to Jews only or are both Jews and Gentiles, who are believers, not under the Law?
You are not under the Law you are under grace.
But no one is faulted for obeying the commands of God found in the Law. And Jesus observed and taught the Law. So, do you obey Jesus? The question is if all believers are not under the Law or if Gentile believers do not have to obey what Jesus taught of obedience to the Law. If all the world is accountable by the Law that Jesus taught, why would anyone say they don't have to obey Jesus? Saying you are a Gentile is not an excuse of the Law. I don't know that you do.
But, think about this. Do you obey Jesus? If you say "no" to this question the question is "why not?" People have different reasons they do not obey Jesus. And responses to this question may be different and for different reasons.
It is not wrong to tell people to obey Jesus. I have no problem with wanting to obey Jesus at all times. There is no reason for any excuses. If a person can say they obey Jesus then they can tell others to obey Jesus. If a person wants to obey Jesus they can say that you should obey Jesus. If a person tries to obey Jesus they should receive help in where they fall short.
If you think I am self-righteous your judgment of me should have no bearing upon whether or not you choose to obey Jesus.
I have no problem with these things john w.
John w, I do not have much but I believe I am to be a steward of what I have.
Do you believe you are telling me what Jesus wants me to do?
"I believe all of His commands are to be obeyed."-Jacob
Fine. Leave all, sell all you have.
KingdomRose
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I agree. I know him as my Lord and my King. (Do you take him seriously enough to not vote for anyone else?)
He taught his disciples many things, and I have seen that none of the churches that say they're Christian really follow what he says.
He said:
(1)We must pray to the Father and no one else. (Matthew 6:9)
(2)We must honor God's name. (Matthew 6:9)
(3)We must pray for His Kingdom/ government to come. (Matt.6:10)
(4)We must go to all nations and preach about the Kingdom that is coming. (Matt.24:14)
(5)Place God's Kingdom in first place in our lives, and all other things will be added to us. (Matt.6:33)
(6)Love even our enemies. (Matt.5:44) That includes not joining a military institution and learning to kill.
(7)We must not be part of the world (its politics, its lack of morals, its materialism, etc.). (John 15:18,19; John 17:14)
There is much more, but how about it? Do you follow these instructions from Jesus?
"I believe all of His commands are to be obeyed....No. If you make an exception then not all of Jesus' commands are to be obeyed. So don't make an exception."-you
Fine. Leave all, sell all you have.