Before or after Acts 9?
Do you obey Jesus?
- Thread starter Jacob
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Before or after Acts 9?
Again, I see no reason why not. I see no rationale for your saying you cannot or that I cannot. What prevents you from obeying Jesus? Whatever it is should be taken out of the way.
I see no reason for asking this question. I can only venture that a before or after question of this kind means either you want to know what I believe or you want to justify your not keeping His commands one way or the other.
I do see reason to clarify that by His words and commands I mean what He has taught by way of instruction which includes His commands. His words can mean His commands but I have said His words and His commands. Jesus taught us many things. It may be possible to say it is all for our obedience, whether an explicit command or not.
I hate to beat a dead horse, but this is the same argument 'rulz would make. He even said "Jesus taught grace", which must have come from a secret setting on his gospel blender.
Jacob, you are saying the same nonsense as this guy did.
Galatians 5
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
ClimateSanity
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You were never in a dispensationalist church if you can ask such a question with a straight face.
Before.
Matthew 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” 17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
After
Romans 7
9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death.
ClimateSanity
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For one thing, Jesus was not telling people of all times and all places and all situations to obey his commands. They are not universal. That is your assumption.
Not by you.
So that is just one instance of you not obeying what Jesus said to do.
In other words, that command not to tell anyone He was the Christ was not to be obeyed by all the followers He would ever have.
You, yourself, being one that does not obey that command.
How about this one ....
Matthew 10 KJV
(8) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
(8) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Do you obey it?
Not at all. I have no idea why you would say so.
This is true. If you become a Jew or an Israelite through circumcision you are to observe, obey, keep the whole law. Paul is pointing out that circumcision is not a requirement for salvation. If a person thinks getting circumcised will save them, they are wrong. Circumcision is about keeping the whole law. The one who is circumcised must keep the whole law.
I grew up under dispensationalism.
Both scriptures are for you. The first one is what Jesus said. The second one is what Paul said. Jesus gave an answer to the question asked of Him. Paul thought about what he learned regarding the commandment to not covet.
I see no reason to take anything away from any of Jesus' commands. The question is if you and I obey them.
SaulToPaul 2
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Can we do both?
Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
2 Cor 12:14 (KJV)
Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
2 Cor 12:14 (KJV)
You do realize that women were not circumcised.
Being circumcised in the flesh was never a command that women could obey.
Likewise, the Sabbath day rest was not for everyone either.
The priests worked every day.
True.
Incorrect. This command is to be understood by me, but it is not that it should not be obeyed or that I should not obey it, but that Jesus was commanding something at a particular time for a particular reason. Therefore, your difficulty is solved.
The problem is that you think I should be guilty for not obeying this command. It is fault finding, and a requirement not intended for me.
If God gives any of His children the opportunity to obey this command they should. I see no reason to not obey this command. This is about God's power, not yours or mine.
ClimateSanity
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What difference does it make? You are claiming to have been taught dispensationalism. If you grew up under it, that claim is even stronger. Therefore, the evidence you are lying about is enormous if you can be asking questions like the one I referenced.
The question is if you obey Jesus. If being a dispensationalist prevents you from obeying Jesus you have a problem.
ClimateSanity
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Nick M asked you if it is before or after Acts 9. You stated you didn't see what difference that made. If you grew up under dispensationalism, you would be aware of what happened in Acts 9. It was the raising up of Paul. As a dispensationalist, you should understand we are no longer under the law and that we are to follow Paul as be follows Christ. Jesus's commands were in relation to the law and eternal life hinged on your obedience. We walk in the Spirit has Paul commands. If we do that, we fulfill all that Jesus intended when he gave those commands. If we try to obey specific commands with the fear of losing salvation if we don't, we are following a false gospel.
Do you do all things whatsoever the scribes and pharisees bid you?