dodge
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Go read where Jesus EXPLAINED what blaspheme of the HOLY GHOST ACTUALLY IS. your OPINION MEANS nothing.
ECT Do those who believe MAD have no problem disregarding what Jesus actually taught ?
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Go read where Jesus EXPLAINED what blaspheme of the HOLY GHOST ACTUALLY IS. your OPINION MEANS nothing.
Hi and here is what 1 Cor 1:17 really means For Christ did not send me to BAPTIZE but to preach the Gospel , NOT with wisdom of word in order that the Cross of Christ should Not be made Empty !!
The first verb tense is in the AORIST TENSE or Past tense of what Paul's ministry was to be , bear God name before GENTILES , and Kings and the Sons of Israel !!
We see from many Prophecys that Israel's program was to be set aside as referenced in Isa 6 and in Luke 13:6-9 as Israel was NOT BEARING FRUIT !!
So the Past tense looks BACK to when Paul was CHOSE to preach to Gentiles !!
The Greek word BAPTIZO is a transliterated word with many English meanings , like 12 different words !!
We see Paul BAPTIZING 12 Jews in ACts 19:4 that Repentance was FIRST and than Water Baptism !!
In verse 6 , Paul BAPTIZED 12 Jews , 12 ) by Laying his hand on each and then the 12 RECIEVE the Holy Spirit and they spoke in Langauges and Prophesying !!
This is HOW Paul BAPTIZED Crispus and Gaius !!
Paul wrote in Eph 4:5 that there is on BAPTISM , but the translation is wrong as the Greek is NOT Baptism but the Greek word BAPTISMA which means that there kis ONLY ONE BAPTIZER TODAY and that is when we are PLACED into the Body of Christ 1 Cor 12:13 !!
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ClimateSanity
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It is defined in Matthew 12:22-32.
Jesus had just released a demon out of a woman and the Pharisees accused him of having an unclean Spirit. Jesus then replies that a word spoken against the son of Man can be forgiven but anyone who speaks a word against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven.
Those persecuting the church were speaking against the Holy Spirit since the full power of the spirit was in display before them just as Jesus was displaying the full power of God and was spoken against. These people fought them tooth and nail scourging them in the synagogues. There sin here was unforgivable.
Just shows the level of clods we are dealing with in some of these expert amatuers...point out a principle by way of an example, and they conclude one was talking about the example.
No way to get through to such types. Nobody home.
dodge
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dodge
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If you are trying to make a case that Paul blasphemed the Holy Ghost it is a fail.
If Paul had blasphemed the Holy Ghost he would have been beyond redemption according to Jesus, and Jesus never lies.
Mar 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
ClimateSanity
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But God does change his mind.
Paul could not receive the promises given to the Fathers. He could however be placed in the never before heard of Body of Christ. Christ took Paul's sins upon him. This was unheard of in the time of Jesus.
McFly?
Why would the salvation of the Gentiles provoke the Jews to jealousy?
And we do not ignore what Jesus taught, we are paying more attention than you.
Then why was it "gospel of..." and not "gospel to..."?
Then why did He not send Paul to baptize when He sent the 12 to do so?
Without works?
Without works?
Without works?
Nang
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Absolutely not. God is immutable.
Denial of the attributes of God, lead to false teachings and false gospels, such as you attempt to put forth.
Such is unacceptable.
ClimateSanity
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You appear to disagree with the word of God.
Nang
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Bah . . .
andyc
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Fact- Jesus said, "he who blasphemes against Holy Spirit, never has forgiveness, as it is an eternal sin".
There's no forgiveness for this sin in any age. Thats is as plain as you can get it. And yet madists don't like it, so they deny the words of Jesus for the sake of their warpped views.
Persecution of Jesus and Christians is not blasphemy. All blasphemies against the son of man will be forgiven.
There's no forgiveness for this sin in any age. Thats is as plain as you can get it. And yet madists don't like it, so they deny the words of Jesus for the sake of their warpped views.
Persecution of Jesus and Christians is not blasphemy. All blasphemies against the son of man will be forgiven.
andyc
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God upholds all things by the power of his word. And so if he changes his mind, he denies his own word.
To say that God does such a thing, is a statement of total desperation.
Both YOU and Nang are way off base.
I don't believe Andy has the ability to comprehend such a book. He barely understands the pictures.
You can't expect much out of Andy, after all, he's a "Charismatic" follower of such fellows as Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland, no doubt.
dodge
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I see you have a problem reading and writing.
You summed up those who have bought into the deception of MAD perfectly.
Appears you are Mr. McFly.
What church or denomination are you affiliated with?
Interplanner
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OK, so let me detangle this mess. Thanks to STP's post here, we finally can.
1, they were not going to be saved through the rise of a theocratic kingdom on earth state. Salvation is 'through the Jews' because it is through Christ. The being saved through the Jews was true because Israel was to have launched the mission of God to the nations with Christ's message, not fight a messianic revolt in hopeless odds with bogus claims of God's special help for Israel in such a fight.
2, They fell. That's the revolt!!! These MAD people led by Feldictators and Danoh won't touch 1st century history and actually see what happened. They are blind leading blind.
Actually we should say, they 'fell away' for that is the language of Paul in Thessalonians about what would happen there in Judea and at that time. It is not about our times, even if other events down through the church's history replicate it. Israel is just going to be that way, always heaping up their sins. The true Israel is going to be saved 'in this manner': with the ethne always heaping up its sins, and only the remnant understanding, along with the believers from nations who are unified in the same one Gospel and belief that Christ is the Lord of Ps 2. There is is no fixing that, there is no golden age, there is no restored age, and certainly nothing that compensates for previous generations of Israel failing.
They always were meant to be missionaries to the nations when Christ arrived. That's why he had 221, at least, ready by the time of Pentecost, and why the middle of Rom 10 has its string of questions about Israel in the mission of God.