Denver Bible Church & Freak

[theeyologin]

Thank you all for the warm welcome.
BB, Since you believe that Jesus was an enlightened human.. Would you consider Him to be truthful in the things that He said.. Because if He was enlightened he would have had a greater grasp of truth than us all. Would you not say so. And if this is the case, Do you believe that what the scriptures record Him as saying to be true?
I apologize if you are having to repeat the issue, i have not read any of your addresses concerning this. =)

 

[BillyBob]

Wow, your first two posts and both were directed toward me! :noid:

I'm not really interested in debating theology, Theeyologin. I just couldn't resist taking a couple swipes at Freak.

I will answer your question about the Scriptures being an accurate portrayal of what Jesus said, however.

I don't know. Obviously I hope they are or what would be the point of being a Christian? I find much of the Bible to be dubious and do not accept a literal translation of it. Somewhere on this board is my 'BillyBob's Statement of Faith'. While it was designed to be provocative, it summarizes my views....more or less. Although I have changed my position on the Pauline Epistles, somewhat.

Do you think The Gospel of Thomas gives an accurate portrayal of what Jesus said?

OK, back to harassing commies and anti-Semites [Yes, that's you, Cryt!]. :bannana:

 

[BillyBob]

Hey Theeologin, here's an Easter present for you!


TOP TEN SIGNS YOU'RE A (CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALIST

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of
gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when
someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists
say that people evolved from other life forms, but you
have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were
created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem
believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the
"atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even
flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all
the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the
elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" --
including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and
Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have
no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated
Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed,
came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little
loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth
(4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with
believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting
in their tents and guessing that Earth is a couple of
generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet
with the exception of those who share your beliefs --
though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend
Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet
consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and
physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot
rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be
all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it
comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be
evidence that prayer works. And you think that the
remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and
agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church
history - but still call yourself a Christian.

 

[theeyologin]

May I simply respond with a statment and a question.
I do believe that you are generally stereotyping a "christian".
Do you consider yourself to be a Christian?

 

[Dimo]

SOTK4EVER posted:

Where in the Bible does it say that He is not supernatural?

Dimo:

I never said it did. I do not know if there is a "supernatural" or not. I have experienced natural phenomenon first hand. Any concept of the "supernatural" is second hand or heresay. I can safely assume that the natural universe exists for all people. I can assume for myself that a "spiritual" world exists. Perhaps this is what you are calling "supernatural". Regardless, I cannot, with any amount of intellectual integrity, force my concept of "spiritual" on others.

SOTK4EVER posted:

Aren't we talking about faith here? The belief in things unseen?

Dimo:

Yes. That is what I use as the basis for my spirituality.

However, there are many here who are trying to prove, through science, the reality of their concept of God. This is what I do not agree with.

SOTK4EVER posted:

I am told that the Earth is round and not flat. I've never circumnavigated the globe myself though so I don't know for sure that it is, do I?

Dimo:

No, but there is much physical evidence that suggests the reality of this claim. This conclusion is both mathematically and logically sound.

What exactly does this have to do with the "suppposed" existence of the "supernatural", which is neither a mathematically nor logically sound conslusion?

SOT4KEVER posted:

I've also been told that the Earth as well as the other planets in our solar system circle the Sun. I believe this although I've never actually seen it occur.

Dimo:

Refer to my previous response.

SOTK4EVER posted:

I have faith that God has done everything that He has stated that He has done through the Holy Bible. This is faith. Faith doesn't require proof. It only requires belief.

Dimo:

I agree. I just do not assume, as you do, that this was done with "supernatural" forces.

 

[JoyfulRook]

DBC is Great aint it... I'm a proud member....

 

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by theeyologin

May I simply respond with a statment and a question.

Absolutely.

I do believe that you are generally stereotyping a "christian".

Absolutely.

Do you consider yourself to be a Christian?

Absolutely.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Originally posted by BillyBob

Hey Theeologin, here's an Easter present for you!


TOP TEN SIGNS YOU'RE A (CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALIST

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of
gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when
someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists
say that people evolved from other life forms, but you
have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were
created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem
believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the
"atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even
flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all
the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the
elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" --
including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and
Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have
no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated
Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed,
came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little
loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth
(4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with
believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting
in their tents and guessing that Earth is a couple of
generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet
with the exception of those who share your beliefs --
though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend
Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet
consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and
physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot
rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be
all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it
comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be
evidence that prayer works. And you think that the
remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and
agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church
history - but still call yourself a Christian.

Dude... get your own material.

Stealing from atheists no less. :nono:

And you call yourself a Christian?

 

[BillyBob]

I posted it because it is funny.


[I never claimed authorship]

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Originally posted by BillyBob

I posted it because it is funny.

And you just forgot to give credit to the author???????????????????

 

[BillyBob]

I don't know who the author is, do you?

It was something that was sent to me via e-mail.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

It would be far more funny if it were more accurate. Pure straw-man, no filling.

Pathetic.

Only someone equally as pathetic would find humor in it.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Originally posted by BillyBob

I don't know who the author is, do you?

It was something that was sent to me via e-mail.

I would have stated that then.

But you were hoping we might think you wrote it right?

Wow, come to think of it that is even MORE pathetic!

:BillyBob: = :dunce:

 

[Cyrus of Persia]

Originally posted by Knight

It would be far more funny if it were more accurate. Pure straw-man, no filling.

Pathetic.

Only someone equally as pathetic would find humor in it.

You are true - there is actually no humor involved.

It's actually sad that Christians can be so stupid as described there. At least in most points there.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Originally posted by Cyrus of Persia

You are true - there is actually no humor involved.

It's actually sad that Christians can be so stupid as described there. At least in most points there.

Shorten your signature or I will shorten it for you.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Originally posted by Cyrus of Persia
It's actually sad that Christians can be so stupid as described there. At least in most points there.

It may describe some dumb "Christians" but it is pure staw-man in light of actual Christianity and therefore not very humorous... especially coming from someone who claims to be a Christian.

 

[Cyrus of Persia]

Originally posted by Knight

Shorten your signature or I will shorten it for you.

1. How does my signature relates with the reply i gave?

2. My signature doesnt exceed the amount of characters i can use.

3. I can say that your signature with a picture is as long as mine.

4. You are an administrator. What rules did i violated with my signature?

 

[Cyrus of Persia]

Originally posted by Knight

It may describe some dumb "Christians" but it is pure staw-man in light of actual Christianity and therefore not very humorous... especially coming from someone who claims to be a Christian.

Is it?

So you:

1) dont deny the existence of other gods, nor will be outraged if someone denies the existence of yours?

2) are not touched if scientist say that you are derived from apes?

3) dont laugh at polytheists and at their beliefs?

4) dont see no problem with violence in other religions?

5) dont exclude the possibility that those who dont share your belief dont go to hell?

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Originally posted by Cyrus of Persia

1. How does my signature relates with the reply i gave?

It doesn't.

2. My signature doesnt exceed the amount of characters i can use.

It exceeds the space that I want you to use.

3. I can say that your signature with a picture is as long as mine.

TOL isn't your forum, its mine.

4. You are an administrator. What rules did i violated with my signature?

I asked you to shorten it.

Nobody wants to spend all day scolling through signatures that are 4 times longer than the average post.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Originally posted by Cyrus of Persia

Is it?

So you:

1) dont deny the existence of other gods, nor will be outraged if someone denies the existence of yours?

2) are not touched if scientist say that you are derived from apes?

3) dont laugh at polytheists and at their beliefs?

4) dont see no problem with violence in other religions?

5) dont exclude the possibility that those who dont share your belief dont go to hell?

Even your extreme paraphrasing falls short. Unlike your signature.