Go back and read the conversation; I bet if you thought about it a minute, you'd know why presenting data from the United State as data for the world was misleading.
If not, tell me, and I'll see if I can make it understandable for you.
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Go back and read the conversation; I bet if you thought about it a minute, you'd know why presenting data from the United State as data for the world was misleading.
If not, tell me, and I'll see if I can make it understandable for you.
Except it was presented as data for the US.
You're just mad because you haven't got a sensible response.
If not, tell me, and I'll see if I can make it understandable for you.
Go and have a lie down, muddlehead.
Cool off a little, Stripe and we'll talk when you get control of yourself.
https://kluv.radio.com/blogs/miles-...going-viral-due-freezing-temperatures-midwest
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Darwinists will do anything to avoid a sensible discussion.
The US data were manipulated to hide a hot 1934, that's the takeaway here.
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The data used for that map is fraudulent because it only starts in 1970, as opposed to the actual data starting from 1918 that shows a cooling trend.How does the claim that temperatures "are actually decreasing" comport with the fact that hardiness zones are moving north, hmm?
Hardiness zones moving north:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesal...p-of-warming-u-s-has-plant-zones-moving-north
| The Danger Of Data Tampering Heidi Cullen’s Climate Central released this fraudulent map showing Midwest winters getting hot, which is based on tampered thermometer data. 
The actual data shows Midwest winters are getting colder. 
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genuineoriginal
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I see that [MENTION=92]The Barbarian[/MENTION] is trying to be dishonest by pretending that there is such a thing as a "world" temperature record when almost all of the temperatures we have recorded are from the United States and western Europe.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
a furious barbie angrily shouts:
do you feel better now that you've let that all out?
do you feel better now that you've let that all out?
So now you're claiming that the daisies have been fraudulently growing for the past half-century? The hardiness zones are merely descriptions of the behavior of plants over the years. And I don't think claiming that the plants are fraudulent is going to do you much good.
This is why switching from global data to U.S. data is really ineffective for you. Even with the dust bowl warming (man-made, BTW) the trend in the United States is for warmer temperatures. Here's the data from your source:
As you see, it's getting warmer here, too. Which is why hardiness zones are moving north.
See above. From the data you cited.
You've been lied to about that, as well:
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/warm_stations/
You'd do a lot better if you took the time to go look for yourself, instead of believing all those lies they've been indoctrinating you with.
I don't think you're being intentionally dishonest. You're just entirely too trusting of dishonest people.
genuineoriginal
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That image is a fine example of the fake data that NOAA is putting out.Here's the data from your source:
| 100% Of US Warming Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering They also claim US temperatures rose 1.5°F since the 19th century, which is what NOAA shows. 
The problem with the NOAA graph is that it is fake data. NOAA creates the warming trend by altering the data. The NOAA raw data shows no warming over the past century 
The adjustments being made are almost exactly 1.5°F, which is the claimed warming in the article. 
The adjustments correlate almost perfectly with atmospheric CO2. NOAA is adjusting the data to match global warming theory. This is known as PBEM (Policy Based Evidence Making.) 
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genuineoriginal
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Yes, NASA has been lying to everyone about global warming.
| Overwhelming Evidence Of Collusion NASA prominently features this graph of “global temperature” showing very close agreement between different data sets by different government agencies since 1880. 
I am going to show you the evidence now why the only way this could have happened is via collusion between the agencies. There is not enough data available to generate a coherent global long-term temperature record, much less have close agreement by independent agencies. In 1978, the New York Times reported there was too little temperature data from the Southern Hemisphere to draw any reliable conclusions. International Team of Specialists Finds No End in Sight to 30‐Year Cooling Trend in Northern Hemisphere New York Times, January 5, 1978 The report, prepared by German, Japanese and American specialists, appears in the Dec. 15 issue of Nature, the British journal. The findings indicate that from 1950 to 1975 the cooling, per decade, of most climate indexes in the Northern Hemisphere was from 0.1 to 0.2 degrees Celsius, roughly 0.2 to 0.4 degrees Fahrenheit. Data from the Southern Hemisphere, particularly south of latitude 30 south, are so meager that reliable conclusions are not possible, the report says. The 30th parallel of south latitude passes through South Africa, Chile and southern Australia. The cooling trend seems to‐extend at least part way into the Southern Hemisphere but there have been indications of warming at high southern latitudes. In 1981, NASA’s James Hansen reported the same thing. There is little historical data from the Southern Hemisphere and oceans. 
In this 2009 Climategate E-mail, Phil Jones from CRU said there was very little ship data in large areas of the Southern Hemisphere. and that the historical data in those regions was “mostly made up.” 
Maps from NOAA show that there was very little quality thermometer data outside of the US in the year 1900. 
Same story in 1920. Very little quality data outside of the US, Western Europe, Japan and parts of Australia. 
There are still very large areas of missing data, represented by gray in the NOAA map below. 
However, the lack of data doesn’t stop NOAA from declaring record heat in places with no thermometer data. 
The US has the only high quality long term temperature set covering a large area in the world, and the US temperature record is massively tampered with – to turn 90 years of cooling into warming. 
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No doubt they lied to us about the moon landing as well.
Barbarian observes that his assertion of dishonesty over the 1934 coverup has been shut down, so he hastily leaps on the next argument he can generate.
When are the Darwinists going to hold down a sensible discussion?
genuineoriginal
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Agreed. That's my whole issue; it's not whether or not it's happening, it's what people, Democrats, think that they therefore have a mandate to do about it. In some ways, I'd rather not argue about whether it's happening, and instead shift it to what are we going to do about it. My 'null hypothesis' is that we do nothing about it wrt making new laws, and we instead just let people figure it out themselves, as individuals first, then as local municipalities, then counties, then states, and then and only then do we even consider making new federal laws. I'm open to competing views, but that's my view starting out.
Hard lessons make us smarter. And while people die everyday for all sorts of reasons, I don't think that many people will die learning the hard lessons of human-caused climate change, if it's even real. Storms are still storms, even if they are more frequent and stronger, building codes just have to improve. And rising sea levels are not a thing that we won't be able to see coming from a mile away. Nobody's going to wake up with their homes under water. Mostly.
Yep.
Eh. You take the good with the bad, you win some you lose some, even Steven, comme ci comme ca.
No. I hate them.
Gross, and a good point. But given that I'm still largely bald, I don't know that trading colder weather to avoid insects is an equitable swap. Maybe. :idunno:
Genuine original switched from global temperature rise to United States temperature rise. Why? Because the dust bowl heating in the 1930s somewhat obscures the world rise in temps. He doesn't include the actual data for the United States; it won't show what the denier graph shows. Likely, he's never seen the data, and is still trusting people who take advantage of his trust.
But let's look at the global data:
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
The last five years have been the warmest five on record. 2018 was the 4th warmest ever. And that's in spite of this:
The sun may be dimming, temporarily. Don't panic; Earth is not going to freeze over. But will the resulting cooling put a dent in the global warming trend?
A periodic solar event called a "grand minimum" could overtake the sun perhaps as soon as 2020 and lasting through 2070, resulting in diminished magnetism, infrequent sunspot production and less ultraviolet (UV) radiation reaching Earth — all bringing a cooler period to the planet that may span 50 years.
The last grand-minimum event — a disruption of the sun's 11-year cycle of variable sunspot activity — happened in the mid-17th century. Known as the Maunder Minimum, it occurred between 1645 and 1715, during a longer span of time when parts of the world became so cold that the period was called the Little Ice Age, which lasted from about 1300 to 1850.
But it's unlikely that we'll see a return to the extreme cold from centuries ago, researchers reported in a new study. Since the Maunder Minimum, global average temperatures have been on the rise, driven by climate change. Though a new decades-long dip in solar radiation could slow global warming somewhat, it wouldn't be by much, the researchers' simulations demonstrated. And by the end of the incoming cooling period, temperatures would have bounced back from the temporary cooldown.
https://www.livescience.com/61716-sun-cooling-global-warming.html
We should be getting cooler. Instead, we're seeing record high average temperatures.
But let's look at the global data:
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
The last five years have been the warmest five on record. 2018 was the 4th warmest ever. And that's in spite of this:
The sun may be dimming, temporarily. Don't panic; Earth is not going to freeze over. But will the resulting cooling put a dent in the global warming trend?
A periodic solar event called a "grand minimum" could overtake the sun perhaps as soon as 2020 and lasting through 2070, resulting in diminished magnetism, infrequent sunspot production and less ultraviolet (UV) radiation reaching Earth — all bringing a cooler period to the planet that may span 50 years.
The last grand-minimum event — a disruption of the sun's 11-year cycle of variable sunspot activity — happened in the mid-17th century. Known as the Maunder Minimum, it occurred between 1645 and 1715, during a longer span of time when parts of the world became so cold that the period was called the Little Ice Age, which lasted from about 1300 to 1850.
But it's unlikely that we'll see a return to the extreme cold from centuries ago, researchers reported in a new study. Since the Maunder Minimum, global average temperatures have been on the rise, driven by climate change. Though a new decades-long dip in solar radiation could slow global warming somewhat, it wouldn't be by much, the researchers' simulations demonstrated. And by the end of the incoming cooling period, temperatures would have bounced back from the temporary cooldown.
https://www.livescience.com/61716-sun-cooling-global-warming.html
We should be getting cooler. Instead, we're seeing record high average temperatures.
You have a role to play here, too, Stripe. Not everyone is data-oriented, and it's not unreasonable for us to see alternative facts offered for those inclined to such things. I'm glad you're here; this would be a less interesting place without you. God bless your crabby little heart.
It's quite warm here, today, nearly 70 degrees F. Mostly sunny, too. But as you know, we can't blame any particular spell of weather on climate. I hear it might get cooler by the end of the week. But it was a glorious day to be outdoors. Walked into the park, where a great blue heron was standing about 20 yards from us. He's gotten used to us being there, and doesn't bother flying off when I glance at him.
Coming back, we went past the neighbor's yard as usual. As usual, his little dog ran along the fence yapping at us. Bagel doesn't even acknowledge him any more. He does us no harm, and the little pup feels better, having defended all that is right and good from the evil Barbarian behind the fence.
It's a good world, after all. Thanks for being part of mine.
Actually, that's what's going on now, to a large degree. Ironically, Trump is actually encouraging libertarian approaches to the problem by denying what's happening. Cities, states, and corporations are just going around him, and doing some right things anyway. A lot of the right things are economically viable to begin with, and a lot more of it is a matter of pruning away laws and restrictions written to favor oil and coal producers. In some states, for example, utilities and fossil fuel producers are lobbying to penalize people for having solar panels on their houses. We need to target the things that hamper innovation first.
Not in this country. Maybe the High Plains, as farming and ranching start to suffer. But that's happened before, and few people died, as the farmers fled to other regions to start over.
We're going to be O.K. mostly. A little less prosperous, maybe, unless technology can save us. And it often does. Other nations, it might be worse. A lot worse. And that is the stuff of regional wars and disruption of commerce.
It's happened a few times in human history. I'd like to think we can avoid a collapse, but there are some historical precedents:
1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed
https://www.amazon.com/1177-B-C-Civilization-Collapsed-Turning/dp/0691168385
Climate change seems to be the impetus for the much later invasions of nomadic tribes into the Roman, Chinese and Iranian Empires.
It's going to be more interesting in this world, I think.