CoPilot was Suicidal Homosexual drug user with less than 600 hrs flight time
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Sitamun
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Now Now, you know neither Naz or aCW is interested in facts. Never have, never will....
Nazaroo
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I noticed you skipped over the OTHER red flag: Drug User
The concerns about psychotic episodes triggered by Antidepressants
and other "AntiPsychotic" drugs, coming on and off of them,
are one of the LARGEST RED FLAG issues today.
Here is a guy, copilot in a commercial airline,
who has used and been prescribed antidepressants and antiPsychotic drugs,
of the strongest kind.
And they let him in a cockpit, when both regulations and common sense
say he should have been GROUNDED for an EXTENDED PERIOD
until the psychological and drug issues were KNOWN to be "safe"...
His own doctor told him to report his condition, a LEGAL requirement,
and the RIGHT THING TO DO.
But of course neither of them had enough moral or ethical backbone
to DO THE RIGHT THING.
Now he's murdered 16 schoolchildren, and a hundred others.
Well, thats just what you should expect from someone experimentally using
dangerous psychotic affecting drugs, who should never be in a cockpit.
lovemeorhateme
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The CoPilot who tricked the Pilot out of the cockpit, locked the door,
and crashed it into the Alps had a half-dozen red flags
that should have nixed him ever getting in the cockpit of a commercial liner.
The reason he got to fly was that he was a homosexual,
and they were grooming him for the position,
and thought he would make a great public example later
for a HOMOSEXUAL Airline Pilot.
So just about EVERY RULE was broken to get him in the cockpit
of a commercial airline, to log flight time.
Only there were many signs he was completely unsuitable
and untrustworthy as a pilot responsible for the lives of hundreds of others.
Its now known that he:
(1) Had a psychiatric record before getting his pilot licence, indicating suicidal tendencies.
(2) Had been using Antidepressants and strong Anti-Psychotic drugs.
(3) Had skipped out in the middle of pilot training for several months, with no explanation.
(4) His doctor flagged him as unsuitable for flying and he failed to report him to the authorities.
(5) He had less than 600 hours of flight time logged, but in fact it was required since world War II that airline pilots have 5,000 hours of flight time logged to be qualified for commercial flying.
Had any one of these issues and red-flags been acted on, 16 school children would be alive today.
This is a perfect example of why safety issues should NOT be waved
for the sake of political "correctness" which turns out to be political ERROR.
Notwithstanding ALL THIS,
lives could have been saved had there been a way for the PILOT to get back in the cockpit in time.
For instance, an inexpensive "thumbprint" operated lock for the pilot,
an override card or number to type into a pad or swipe,
or even a remote doorlock that could be triggered by the tower,
in the event of this type of emergency and several others.
Also, an override for significant flight-path alterations like steep dives,
which requires the pilot's authorization or ground control's in case of
pilot incapacitation.
Do you have any actual evidence that he was a homosexual or is this pure conjecture? I'm leaning more towards conjecture....
lain:
Nazaroo
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It's all speculation right now.
There was speculation that Eddie Routh, the murderer of Navy Seal Chris Kyle, was a convert to Islam.
http://shoebat.com/2015/01/29/man-m...mericans-need-start-learning-profile-muslims/
While I know it's impossible for leftwingers like you to have an open mind (especially if it makes your beloved homosexuals or muzzies look bad), I'm holding off until further evidence is provided.
Remember when there was an expectation that the most basic fact checks would be done before you run a story? Those were the days...
Then again, this is Naz...
The sickest kind of fantasies and the worst kind of wish fulfillment.
Nazaroo
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Oh look:
Some Evidence: He left an internet trail:
Some Evidence: He left an internet trail:
EXCLUSIVE: Twisted obsessions of killer in cockpit: Lubitz trawled 'dark side' of the web The 27-year-old also had problems with his eyesight and tore up sick notes from his doctors after fearing his mental state could lose him his job. Just weeks before crashing the Germanwings Flight 4U 9525 plane, killing 149 passengers, he had learned he could also face a big pay cut and changes to his company pension. A police source in Dusseldorf said: “We have a team disassembling his computer, and that of his girlfriend, because the information that we received was that he trawled the dark side of the web visiting, among other things, sites containing gay porn, suicide themes and sexual perversions.” Lubitz also endured the nickname “Tomato Andy”, a German term for repressed homosexuals and a dig at his previous job as a flight attendant. Reports have suggested he was troubled by his sexuality and also seeking treatment for vision problems. Last year he scared a girlfriend with remarks that showed his mind was in a dark and secretive place. Former lover Maria, a Germanwings stewardess, claimed he told her: “One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it”. “I didn’t know what he meant by that at the time, but now it’s clear,” she said. They dated for five months and often spent nights in hotels together while flying around Europe. Generally he was “nice and open”, she said, but when the subject turned to work his mood would change. ‘‘We spoke a lot about work and then he became another person,” she said. “He became agitated about the circumstances in which he had to work: Too little money, anxiety about his contract and too much pressure.” heir relationship became strained because of his volatile temper: “During conversations he’d suddenly throw a tantrum and scream at me,” Maria told a German newspaper. “I was afraid. He once locked me in the bathroom for a long time.” Lubitz was reluctant to talk about his medical state but did confide to her he was having psychiatric treatment. “The torn-up sick notes make sense now to me and were a clear sign that he did not want to admit that his big dream of flying as a captain was over,” said Maria. Experts trawling through Lubitz’s computers are hoping to find the reason for his actions, but have not found a suicide note or any explanation yet. However, they are drawing a fuller picture of his life and know he would probably have been troubled by being called “Tomato Andy”. I was afraid. He once locked me in the bathroom for a long time Lubitz also feared that the extent of his mental health problems would have become known and he would then be grounded.Andreas former girlfriend, Maria Police found a torn up sick note in his smart Dusseldorf flat showing he was supposed to be off sick last Tuesday when he crashed the Airbus 320 into the French Alps during a flight from Barcelona to Dusseldorf. A German newspaper, Sueddeutsche Zeitung, said Lubitz was harbouring a “terrible secret” and the letters, meaning regular medical treatment is required, were on his records. Matthias Wirth, from the Association of Flight Doctors, said: “Pilots have a close bond with their profession. If you take away a pilot’s licence you see a world falling apart. You want to avoid it if you can, but pilots are good actors.” Lubitz also worried that he faced a drastic pay cut just weeks before his mid-air meltdown. He feared his wages and pension benefits could be reduced as Germanwings’s owner Lufthansa tries to compete with low-budget rivals easyJet and Turkish Airlines, where staffing costs are 40 per cent lower. He was notified of the company’s intentions by internal company memo to employees from board members Karl Ulrich Garnadt, CEO, and Bettina Volkens, from Human Resources, on February 5. The message said that soaring airport fees and air traffic control charges had helped take the company into the “dangerous red zone”. Average ticket sales also fell by more than 3 per cent in 2014. The executives added: “The competition knows our cost position and knows that this is an area where we are vulnerable. “Our cost level is now 30 to 40 per cent higher than that of our direct competitors such as easyJet or Turkish Airlines. In the long term our staff costs cannot, of course, be substantially higher than those of our competitors. There is no easy answer to this.” Germanwings pilots went on strike for two days from February 11 to 13 over Lufthansa’s plans to abolish a scheme that allows pilots to retire early at 55, and still keep some of their pay until they reach the age at which state pension payments start. If implemented it would mean pilots would have to save for their earlier retirement, which equates to a large pay cut. Professor Peter Turnbull, an aviation expert who has helped put together EU reports on airline wage structures, said: “People think that being a pilot is a glamorous job but in most cases it’s not, it’s simply going from A to B. “To earn a typical pilot’s licence costs between £80,000 to £100,000. Most co-pilots like Lubitz have an intense working regime but are only paid, to use an industry term, when the blocks are released. “What that means is they are paid for flying time only, they get nothing for any delays and have to pay for overnight accommodation themselves. “So if Andreas Lubitz was facing issues with money or was worried about debt, I can see how it would play heavily on his mind.” However, it has emerged that Lubitz spent around £100,000 on two Audi sports cars which were delivered to his flat just three days before the air disaster. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/567027/Andreas-Lubitz-searched-suicide-gay-feared-pay-cut |
Naz:
I see that a bunch of leftwingers have taken an interest in your thread. I've taken the liberty of getting a case of these, you can hand them out accordingly.
I see that a bunch of leftwingers have taken an interest in your thread. I've taken the liberty of getting a case of these, you can hand them out accordingly.
lovemeorhateme
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A "police source" could be anybody. This is not evidence.
Sitamun
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Also, websites with gay porn, also contain straight porn, A LOT of straight porn. Also sexual perversion is a subjective term. What some consider normal others consider perversion.
Nazaroo
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Quick! Distract him with this shuffling backpedal
You say gay porn sites can also contain straight porn?
post a few links so we can check your facts.
Nazaroo
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Since LoveMeOrHateMe isn't accepting police as sources for police evidence
(police are the only source for facts concerning internet trails,
unless we look at his public Facebook page etc.)
Maybe some other independent eyewitness testimony will help:
(police are the only source for facts concerning internet trails,
unless we look at his public Facebook page etc.)
Maybe some other independent eyewitness testimony will help:
Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz kept deadly mental illness secret from bosses Andreas Lubitz kept a deadly secret from bosses that could have prevented the needless deaths of all 150 on board Flight 9525. The 28-year-old co-pilot was signed off sick by two separate doctors for the day he plunged the Germanwings Airbus 320 into a mountain after locking his captain out of the cockpit. But he never told his superiors he had been deemed unfit to fly as he feared he would be stripped of his pilot’s licence because of a history of depression and kicked out of the job he lived for. Lubitz had been signed off several times during his career due to serious mental illness and was once branded *“unflyable” at the Lufthansa Flight School in Phoenix, Arizona. But he passed return to work medical tests and was declared fit to fly at the time he deliberately crashed Flight 9525 in the French Alps. Bosses had no idea of his secret illness until police searched his flat in *Dusseldorf and found torn-up sick notes. It also emerged Lubitz suffered “gay” taunts from colleagues because of his background as cabin crew. And investigators were last night examining the theory a recent split from his girlfriend tipped him over the edge and sparked his murder mission. ... Former colleagues told how Lubitz was mercilessly taunted over his cabin crew past. He was nicknamed “Tomato Andy” because they believed he didn’t know if he was a “fruit or veg” – a reference to his sexuality. One ex-workmate said it was slang term for a “straight who was really gay”. ... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-kept-5416012 |
Nazaroo
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Normally, not even 6% of applicants get to fly commercial airlines,
even GOOD PILOTS with CLEAN RECORDS:
Now lets watch the HOMOSEXUAL NETWORK IN OPERATION:
We can only remark that had Lubitz been a heterosexual,
his unfitness to fly a plane would have been noted and acted on
from the start.
Oh wait, once again thats a 'police source',
and I'm sure even aCultureWarrior will agree that its unreliable and useless.
even GOOD PILOTS with CLEAN RECORDS:
Now lets watch the HOMOSEXUAL NETWORK IN OPERATION:
| Lubitz applied for a job at Lufthansa, the German national airline that also owns the budget airline Germanwings. Lufthansa is reckoned among pilots to be just about the best carrier to work for. Lubitz passed a number of rigorous assessments – including psychometric testing of a candidate’s ability to work under pressure and handle stress – to be accepted on its pilot training programme. Only between 4 and 8 per cent of those who apply are offered a place, and Lubitz was one of them. ... But despite his success in getting into flight school, there were serious signs emerging that Lubitz was a deeply troubled young man. In 2009, part-way through his training, he suffered a “serious depressive episode” and began to receive some form of counselling or psychiatric treatment, according to the German tabloid newspaper Bild. Another source said: “During his training at Lufthansa flight school, Andreas was listed as unsuitable for flight duties, because he spent one and a half years in psychological treatment, and so he had to repeat courses.” Der Spiegel reported that he had suffered “burn‑out syndrome”. A special coding, “SIC”, was entered on his licence, meaning that he needed a “specific regular medical examination”, according to Germany’s federal aviation office. The airline has been more circumspect. Carsten Spohr, Lufthansa’s chief executive, said: “Six years ago there was a lengthy interruption in his training. After he was cleared again he resumed training. He passed all the subsequent tests and checks with flying colours.” He added: “He took several months’ break for reasons I do not know. Then he had to do the tests again.” In comments that will come back to haunt him, Mr Spohr had insisted Lubitz was “100 per cent fit to fly without any limitations”. That claim has turned out to be false. ... |
We can only remark that had Lubitz been a heterosexual,
his unfitness to fly a plane would have been noted and acted on
from the start.
... By then, Lubitz had moved into a flat in Dusseldorf, where Germanwings has a hub airport. It is thought the partner whom he took to the barbecue lived with him. Nobody at the apartments last week would talk about their neighbour. Police had sealed off the flat and there was no evidence of a girlfriend living there, although the nameplate “Goldbach” sits with his at the entrance. Bild newspaper claimed that, at the time of the crash, Lubitz had broken up with her. He was said to be suffering, said the newspaper, from a “personal life crisis”. A previous girlfriend, known only as Maria, gave an astonishing account of Lubitz as a man fighting his demons as their five-month relationship soured. She was an airline hostess, living near Frankfurt, and they had met on a flight, sparking a tempestuous romance that comprised fleeting assignations in hotel rooms around Europe and Germany. Maria said she thought he had crashed because he knew his illness would prevent him progressing to Lufthansa jets. “He did it because he realised that because of his health problems his big dream of a job with Lufthansa, a job as captain and as a long-haul pilot, was as good as impossible,” she said. |
Oh wait, once again thats a 'police source',
and I'm sure even aCultureWarrior will agree that its unreliable and useless.
Right. It's because he doesn't trust police. Not because he doesn't trust your rubbish sources. Keep telling yourself that.
lovemeorhateme
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Really, Naz, this has nothing to do with my view of the police. I have no issue with the police, I have issue with uncorroborated, trash sources. The Daily Express isn't known as the most reliable of news sources.
So who is the police source? Is this a first hand account or is it a second hand account? How do we know that the quoted source is even from the police?
If reliable, hard evidence actually came to light I would be willing to change my view; but not for this trash!
Sitamun
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That's my problem as well. I'm willing to accept the truth, given that it is the truth supported by facts and evidence and not something given by "anonymous" sources to rag newspapers, or just downright idle speculation.