climate hockey stick defeated

[Alate_One]

:rotfl:

Hundreds of species going extinct, and super sized storms, floods and droughts killing thousands of people is funny?

You live in the Pacific region don't you? How could you have missed all of the super typhoons?

The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

 

[Alate_One]

do they breed genetically modified cats?

I think I'd like a GFP cat . . .

 

[ok doser]

Humans are destroying the planet ...

:doh:

:nono:

 

[Alate_One]

:doh:

:nono:

Denial . . .

Oceanic dead zones . . .

 

[Stripe]

Hundreds of species going extinct, and super sized storms, floods and droughts killing thousands of people is funny?

You live in the Pacific region don't you? How could you have missed all of the super typhoons?

The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

:darwinsm:

 

[Alate_One]

For anyone interested in actually learning about climate science . . .

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/decoding-the-weather-machine

 

[eider]

How many wind turbines does it take to kill 100,000 birds?
How many cell and radio towers does it take to kill 100,000 birds?
How many cats does it take to kill 100,000 birds?

I need ratios, not absolutes taken out of context.

OK.... so what revolutions are your wind turbines circulating at, and what species of birds are the majority of victims?

The turbines in the Thames Estuary are 150 meters high and revolve quite slowly, actually.
You want to get precise, I can see that, so let's do it.
I'll research to discover what the victim rates are here.

 

[eider]

you can't see global warming because it isn't happening
warnings are almost always 30 years from now because it isn't happening now
we are all always being warned we all going to die :noway: ... but here are .

No? In the UK we've busted so many records for hottest months, hottest year, and this summer really did crank up our temperatures.
Nope.... most of us here just don't believe you.

And because the World acted fast, about thirty years ago, banning various gases used in air conditioning and freezing systems, the ozone layers have almost closed up again over the poles. Oh yeah! 30 years...... yeah! Look at that for evidence.

ice comes ice goes ,ice comes ice goes ,ice comes ice goes ,ice comes ice goes ...

Hmmmm..... well, the ice is going, and you and I can both see that. So the sea will be rising..... that's a no brainer. Bingo!

public policy based on lies I have a problem with.

example :carbon tax is just another tax grab

Very backward thinking, that. Our inner cities have benefitted so much from exclusion zones for large dirty engines. But you never witnessed a smog in your life.... can't have, or you wouldn't be chucking the 'no benefits and we are all still alive' stuff about. London smogs were so dense that sometimes I could not see 7 feet in front of me. Thousands died each year from respiratory failures caused by smog. And today folks in their forties can't imagine what a smog was like.

No change, eh?

electric cars

They are amazing. Faster acceleration than ic vehicles. Our F1 racers are hybrid, you know.

 

[User Name]

you can't see global warming because it isn't happening

What did Exxon see that you don't?

Exxon saw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGVW9vJ773k

 

[way 2 go]

No? In the UK we've busted so many records for hottest months, hottest year, and this summer really did crank up our temperatures.
Nope.... most of us here just don't believe you.

it was hot in the summer , must be climate change

my summer wasn't hot , must be climate change.

And because the World acted fast, about thirty years ago, banning various gases used in air conditioning and freezing systems, the ozone layers have almost closed up again over the poles. Oh yeah! 30 years...... yeah! Look at that for evidence.

still have a hole in the ozone layer but it did raise the price of refrigerant
R12 refrigerant $10 for 30lbs very effective cooling ,
R1234YF refrigerant $1000 for 10lbs not very effective cooling and leaks like helium .

asthma inhalers $10 now "ozone friendly " 60-80

Hmmmm..... well, the ice is going, and you and I can both see that. So the sea will be rising..... that's a no brainer. Bingo!

no change in ocean levels in the last 30 years
ice comes ice goes

Very backward thinking, that. Our inner cities have benefitted so much from exclusion zones for large dirty engines. But you never witnessed a smog in your life.... can't have, or you wouldn't be chucking the 'no benefits and we are all still alive' stuff about. London smogs were so dense that sometimes I could not see 7 feet in front of me. Thousands died each year from respiratory failures caused by smog. And today folks in their forties can't imagine what a smog was like.

local air quality dose not equate climate change

They are amazing. Faster acceleration than ic vehicles. Our F1 racers are hybrid, you know.

when comes time to change the battery , the battery cost as much as the car

you get to buy a new car , funny how the automotive industry keeps
winning first with the ozone scare now climate change

 

[The Barbarian]

it was hot in the summer , must be climate change

my summer wasn't hot , must be climate change.

(Barbarian checks)

The last three summers have been the hottest on record...
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v4/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

still have a hole in the ozone layer

Well, let's take a look...
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...healing-after-aerosols-un-northern-hemisphere

They fooled you again.

no change in ocean levels in the last 30 years

ice comes ice goes

Mostly goes...

They can fool you only as long as you don't think for yourself.

 

[eider]

it was hot in the summer , must be climate change

my summer wasn't hot , must be climate change.

still have a hole in the ozone layer but it did raise the price of refrigerant
R12 refrigerant $10 for 30lbs very effective cooling ,
R1234YF refrigerant $1000 for 10lbs not very effective cooling and leaks like helium .

asthma inhalers $10 now "ozone friendly " 60-80

The ozone hole has diminished considerably.
A good thing that we responded early enough..... about thirty years ago, to see results like that today.
You can see them too.

no change in ocean levels in the last 30 years
ice comes ice goes

Well, unfortunately at this time, the ice is going, melting...... now why could that be? Warming, possibly?

local air quality dose not equate climate change

Ah, but one of the benefits of thinking 'clean' is that people stay healthier; it's one of the benefits of trying to clean up our environs.

And we are saving so much of our money! Now that should appeal to you, you seem paranoid about everyone trying to rip you off... No? Our new homes are very easy to keep warm in winter, and again, this reduces greenhouse gases whilst helping our pockets.

when comes time to change the battery , the battery cost as much as the car

you get to buy a new car , funny how the automotive industry keeps
winning first with the ozone scare now climate change

I expect that you enjoy good profits in what you do?
And research is continually increasing battery performance while reducing costs.

Commerce, Industry, retail and travel all provide good services to their communities.... don't moan if those workers get decent livelihoods out of their work.


We have been discussing bird-strike deaths caused by wind-turbines, as if high rise buildings in general didn't inflict similar injuries.

So when I saw a team of engineers leaving one of the wind-farm launches I asked about this. They don't get too many problems with gulls because they don't fly straight and fast, but a colony of Northern Divers spend the winter around the area of the London Array and they do fly fast/straight which meant that at night they were hitting the turbines. But after installation all the turbines were fitted with very bright red fixed and flashing lights and these seem to have helped considerably.

Obviously some members are very concerned about bird-strikes on wind generators, and no doubt show equal concern over road-kill and such incidents. It's nice to converse with nature lovers like that.

 

[way 2 go]

(Barbarian checks)

The last three summers have been the hottest on record...
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v4/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

not the hottest here

I like the omission of outlier data , you know the data that didn't fit the narrative

takata airbags also omitted outlier information from their test
now we have the largest automotive recall in history
"fake science" gotta love it .

Well, let's take a look...
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...healing-after-aerosols-un-northern-hemisphere

They fooled you again.

thanks for a link that shows a hole in the ozone layer
and a 40 year away prediction for it closing

"The ozone layer is showing signs of continuing recovery from man-made damage and is likely to heal fully by 2060, new evidence shows."

Mostly goes...

They can fool you only as long as you don't think for yourself.

"According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."

link

 

[The Barbarian]

not the hottest here

Well, your perception as to how it was around your house really doesn't do much to contradict the fact that the last three summers were hotter than any previous ones.

I like the omission of outlier data

Yes, you do, but using your perceptions of things around your place, doesn't even qualify as data. It would qualify as "outlier", though.

you know the data that didn't fit the narrative

Sorry, it's not data.

(tries to change subject)

takata ...

Nice try.

thanks for a link that shows a hole in the ozone layer

Closing faster than predicted.

(Waytogo is shocked! to learn that warmer seas produce more precipitation)


"According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."

link

Yep. Warmer seas, more water in the air, more precipitation, and the ice sheet in the center of the continent grows. Notice the extreme losses at the edge. This is the big worry now, since that means ice shelves, some as large as states, can break off and drift north to melt.

So that means that even as the ice cap grows, Antarctica has a net loss of ice?

Yep:

Antarctic Ice Loss Speeds Up, Nearly Matches Greenland Loss

Antarctica showing ice loss between 1996 and 2005 Antarctic ice loss between 1996 and 2006, overlaid on a Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) mosaic image of Antarctica. The colors indicate the speed of the ice loss. Purple/red is fast. Green is slow. Image credit: NASA
› Larger view PASADENA, Calif. - Ice loss in Antarctica increased by 75 percent in the last 10 years due to a speed-up in the flow of its glaciers and is now nearly as great as that observed in Greenland, according to a new, comprehensive study by NASA and university scientists.

In a first-of-its-kind study, an international team led by Eric Rignot of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and the University of California, Irvine, estimated changes in Antarctica's ice mass between 1996 and 2006 and mapped patterns of ice loss on a glacier-by-glacier basis. They detected a sharp jump in Antarctica's ice loss, from enough ice to raise global sea level by 0.3 millimeters (.01 inches) a year in 1996, to 0.5 millimeters (.02 inches) a year in 2006.

The same thing is going on in Greenland. There's more precipitation, even as the coastline is melting faster and faster.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ster-than-scientists-previously-thought-study

The extra snowfall is helping to slow the rise in sea level, but Greenland is now a major net loser of ice, and Antarctica is not far behind. As your source points, out, the balance is shifting toward melting on the ice caps, too.

 

[Stripe]

Barbarian likes making things up.

 

[way 2 go]

Well, your perception as to how it was around your house really doesn't do much to contradict the fact that the last three summers were hotter than any previous ones.

1100 to 1300ad and was warmer & 1600 -1700 was cooler but that does not fit your narrative

which brings us full circle , the hockey stick graph is a lie

Yes, you do, but using your perceptions of things around your place, doesn't even qualify as data. It would qualify as "outlier", though.

data that doesn't fit your narrative is everywhere
along with the failed predictions & The hockey stick graph lie

Closing faster than predicted.

40 years from now

 

[The Barbarian]

1100 to 1300ad and was warmer & 1600 -1700 was cooler but that does not fit your narrative

It fits the data. Your problem is you don't accept the recent data.

Which brings us full circle , the hockey stick graph was accurately predicted by James Hansen, thirty years in advance. No point in denying the fact. Data that doesn't fit your narrative is everywhere, along with the failed denier predictions of global cooling.

You should probably know that most deniers now admit the fact of warming (that's the "hockey stick" thing you were talking about) but just deny that humans have anything to do with it. Would you like to learn how we know they're wrong about that, too?

 

[User Name]

the hockey stick graph is a lie

Why does ExxonMobil say otherwise?

 

[Stripe]

It fits the data. Your problem is you don't accept the recent data.

Which brings us full circle , the hockey stick graph was accurately predicted by James Hansen, thirty years in advance. No point in denying the fact. Data that doesn't fit your narrative is everywhere, along with the failed denier predictions of global cooling.

You should probably know that most deniers now admit the fact of warming (that's the "hockey stick" thing you were talking about) but just deny that humans have anything to do with it. Would you like to learn how we know they're wrong about that, too?

Nope.

Would you like to learn how we know you're lying?

 

[User Name]

Would you like to learn how we know you're lying?

Why is ExxonMobil lying?