Christianity Is A Faith.

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There's no point in believing in things that exist. .. If they exist, you don't have to believe in them... [they will go on existing] whether you believe it or not."

Terry Pratchett, Small Gods

 

[JAGG]

JAGG Previously Wrote:
But it is kinda like a school because we all
learn a lot about the Bible and about the Lord
Jesus and about God's will for our lives. So
TOL is a school in that sense.


Meshak Replied And Said:

Hello @JAGG
Nice to meet you.
May I join?
I would like to discuss the above statement of yours.
blessings.

You said you wanted to discuss my statement about TOL
being kinda like a school --- but now you say:

"There are all kinds of faith.
I am assuming you are talking about Christian faith.
I am not one of the mainstreamers meaning I don't believe in the trinity.
So you know what I am getting at?"___Meshak

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Meshak, I want to thank you for the invitation to chat. but I have to tell
you I have no interest in debates on the Trinity. I am a Trinitarian and
so far as I am concerned that issue is settled and is no longer arguable.
Note that I said "so far as I am concerned" --- this is the Internet and
you can easily find people that are eager to debate almost any subject
under the sun.

Thanks again and God Bless.

Here is a prayer for you {and me too -- and for all of us}

May the Lord bless you.
May the Lord keep you safe.
May the Lord make His face to shine upon you.
May the Lord be gracious unto you.
May the Lord turn His face toward you.
May the Lord protect you.
May the Lord protect all those you love.
May the Lord give you peace.
{based on Numbers 6:24-27}


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"There are all kinds of faith.
I am assuming you are talking about Christian faith."___Meshak

Yes about the Christian Faith.
The title of this thread is "Christianity Is A Faith"

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Quotes & Thoughts For Today

“All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.”
___J.R.R. Tolkien {The Lord Of The Rings.



“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such
times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to
decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
___J.R.R. Tolkien The Lord Of The Rings


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[meshak]

JAGG Previously Wrote:
But it is kinda like a school because we all
learn a lot about the Bible and about the Lord
Jesus and about God's will for our lives. So
TOL is a school in that sense.


Meshak Replied And Said:



You said you wanted to discuss my statement about TOL
being kinda like a school --- but now you say:

"There are all kinds of faith.
I am assuming you are talking about Christian faith.
I am not one of the mainstreamers meaning I don't believe in the trinity.
So you know what I am getting at?"___Meshak

____________________


Meshak, I want to thank you for the invitation to chat. but I have to tell
you I have no interest in debates on the Trinity. I am a Trinitarian and
so far as I am concerned that issue is settled and is no longer arguable.
Note that I said "so far as I am concerned" --- this is the Internet and
you can easily find people that are eager to debate almost any subject
under the sun.

Thanks again and God Bless.

Here is a prayer for you {and me too -- and for all of us}

May the Lord bless you.
May the Lord keep you safe.
May the Lord make His face to shine upon you.
May the Lord be gracious unto you.
May the Lord turn His face toward you.
May the Lord protect you.
May the Lord protect all those you love.
May the Lord give you peace.
{based on Numbers 6:24-27}


_______________________


"There are all kinds of faith.
I am assuming you are talking about Christian faith."___Meshak

Yes about the Christian Faith.
The title of this thread is "Christianity Is A Faith"

____________

Quotes & Thoughts For Today

“All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.”
___J.R.R. Tolkien {The Lord Of The Rings.



“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such
times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to
decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
___J.R.R. Tolkien The Lord Of The Rings


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I am not interested in debating anything.

what I am trying to talk to you about Christian faith.

Christians are supposed to be Jesus' followers.

Do you agree?

 

[JAGG]

I am not interested in debating anything.

what I am trying to talk to you about Christian faith.

Christians are supposed to be Jesus' followers.

Do you agree?

"I am not interested in debating anything."___Meshak


So then we will not be disagreeing about anything?
We will merely be chatting about the Christian Faith?
And chatting about following the Lord Jesus?
And not debating or disagreeing on anything?
Just having a devotional chat?
Is that what you mean?
If that is what you mean, it sounds good.
You can start off and tell me what is on your mind?
What do you want tp talk about specifically?

 

[God's Truth]

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[God's Truth]

JAGG

You are a Calvinist and are preaching against God.

Christianity is about faith and that we have to obey Jesus.

The Calvinist teaches we can't believe and obey Jesus until he saves us first.

That goes against God.

Jesus: Believe and obey me.

Calvinist: No, save me first.

 

[JAGG]

JAGG
You are a Calvinist and are preaching against God.

False.
/Laugh Out Loud
That's some really hilarious stuff up there.

Christianity is about faith and that we have to obey Jesus.

Amen to that.
And , , ,
Did we ever doubt it?

The Calvinist teaches we can't believe and obey Jesus until he saves us first.

"until he saves us first"___God's Truth
I don't teach that, so on your lights, I am not a Calvinist.

But you keep on trying to get a war going.
Your efforts are harmless enough.
And very entertaining. I am enjoying this.
Your "iron sharpens iron" thingy didn't work.
But put your thinking cap on, and try something else.

Meanwhile may the good Lord Bless And Keep You.

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Quote For Today

"“War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer
who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for
its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior
for his glory. I love only that which they defend.”___J.R.R. Tolkien
The Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers.


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[God's Truth]

False.
/Laugh Out Loud
That's some really hilarious stuff up there.




Amen to that.
And , , ,
Did we ever doubt it?


"until he saves us first"___God's Truth
I don't teach that, so on your lights, I am not a Calvinist.

But you keep on trying to get a war going.
Your efforts are harmless enough.
And very entertaining. I am enjoying this.
Your "iron sharpens iron" thingy didn't work.
But put your thinking cap on, and try something else.

Meanwhile may the good Lord Bless And Keep You.

________


Quote For Today

"“War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer
who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for
its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior
for his glory. I love only that which they defend.”___J.R.R. Tolkien
The Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers.


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You quote J.R.R. Tolkien but claim you have teachings from God?

This is a debate and discussion site.

You gave the name of CALVINISTIC Universities and claimed they had God's Truth.

Calvin's teachings were against God.

If you don't want to discuss with me then so be it.

Keep your threads dead then.

 

[JAGG]

You quote J.R.R. Tolkien but claim you have teachings from God?

/Laugh Out Loud

You gave the name of CALVINISTIC Universities and claimed they had God's Truth.

False.

If you don't want to discuss with me then so be it.

Amen to that.

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From my heart:

Here is a prayer for you {and me too -- and for all of us}

May the Lord bless you.
May the Lord keep you safe.
May the Lord make His face to shine upon you.
May the Lord be gracious unto you.
May the Lord turn His face toward you.
May the Lord protect you.
May the Lord protect all those you love.
May the Lord give you peace.
{based on Numbers 6:24-27}

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[God's Truth]

/Laugh Out Loud




False.



Amen to that.

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From my heart:

Here is a prayer for you {and me too -- and for all of us}

May the Lord bless you.
May the Lord keep you safe.
May the Lord make His face to shine upon you.
May the Lord be gracious unto you.
May the Lord turn His face toward you.
May the Lord protect you.
May the Lord protect all those you love.
May the Lord give you peace.
{based on Numbers 6:24-27}

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You need to pray for yourself.

You mentioned three CALVINISTIC Universities.

 

[God's Truth]

But it is kinda like a school because we all
learn a lot about the Bible and about the Lord
Jesus and about God's will for our lives. So
TOL is a school in that sense.


But you don't go against these type schools, do you?
There are several hundred Bible Colleges and Bible Seminaries
in the United States, and in the world, that teach the Bible as
the word of God and therefore teach their students do learn God's
truths from the Bible. You don't go against these schools, do you?



That is a fascinating perspective.
You said "all." Is it your position that ALL Bible Colleges in America
are teaching "false doctrines"? So that would mean you believe
Moody Bible Institute and Liberty University are teaching false
doctrines, is that right?

DOCTRINAL STATEMENT

Introduction to the Doctrinal Statement


Throughout its history Moody has held to the essentials of biblical orthodoxy. In addition, it has defined itself in other distinct ways in terms of more specific interpretations of Scripture. These positions are reflected in the Doctrinal Statement (1928) documents and policies published by Moody. These Institutional Positions Related to the Moody Bible Institute Doctrinal Statement (1928) were produced to clarify and make explicit the doctrinal positions of the institution.

While Moody’s particular definitions are important to its position, it is readily recognized that they do not define orthodoxy for the whole body of Christ. Moody gladly embraces all who faithfully adhere to the essentials of biblical Christianity as fellow believers and colleagues in Christ's cause.

Whereas biblical Christianity is defined by the central tenets of the faith, throughout the history of the church various groups have employed more specific definitions to define themselves.

Historically Moody has maintained positions that have identified it as non-charismatic, dispensational and generally Calvinistic.

To maintain continuity and consistency with the heritage entrusted to its care, Moody expects faculty and administration to agree with, personally adhere to and support Moody's doctrinal distinctives as noted above and defined in the following Institutional Positions Related to the Moody Bible Institute Doctrinal Statement (1928).
https://www.moodybible.org/beliefs/



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You said "FALSE" when I said those Universities you mentioned were Calvinistic.
You don't even know what the hell you teach

 

[JAGG]

You don't even know what the hell you teach

Are you cursing?

 

[JAGG]

DOCTRINAL STATEMENT

Introduction to the Doctrinal Statement


Throughout its history Moody has held to the essentials of biblical orthodoxy. In addition, it has defined itself in other distinct ways in terms of more specific interpretations of Scripture. These positions are reflected in the Doctrinal Statement (1928) documents and policies published by Moody. These Institutional Positions Related to the Moody Bible Institute Doctrinal Statement (1928) were produced to clarify and make explicit the doctrinal positions of the institution.

While Moody’s particular definitions are important to its position, it is readily recognized that they do not define orthodoxy for the whole body of Christ.
Moody gladly embraces all who faithfully adhere to the essentials of biblical Christianity as fellow believers and colleagues in Christ's cause.

Whereas biblical Christianity is defined by the central tenets of the faith, throughout the history of the church various groups have employed more specific definitions to define themselves.

Historically Moody has maintained positions that have identified it as non-charismatic, dispensational and generally Calvinistic.

To maintain continuity and consistency with the heritage entrusted to its care, Moody expects faculty and administration to agree with, personally adhere to and support Moody's doctrinal distinctives as noted above and defined in the following Institutional Positions Related to the Moody Bible Institute Doctrinal Statement (1928).
https://www.moodybible.org/beliefs/



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You said "FALSE" when I said those Universities you mentioned were Calvinistic.
You don't even know what the hell you teach

{1} If you want to attack Moody Bible Institute to go right ahead and attack them to your heart's content.
{2} Moody Bible Institute has been going for decades and it is considered to be one of Christendom's
finest and most trust-worthy Bible Colleges.
{3} I was not aware that Moody Bible Institute had Calvinistic leanings.
{4}"You don't even know what the hell you teach"___God's Truth
{5} I want no part of your approach to discussion.
{6} At this point, I do not plan to respond to any more of your posts.{with the exception that I will
post False if you make a False accusation about me or what I say.}



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[God's Truth]

Are you cursing?

Hell is a place where those who preach falseness get their teachings from and tell untruths, like what you did when you said "FALSE" to what I said.

I don't need to curse because you curse yourself when you preach falseness and tell untruths about others.

 

[God's Truth]

{1} If you want to attack Moody Bible Institute to go right ahead and attack them to your heart's content.
{2} Moody Bible Institute has been going for decades and it is considered to be one of Christendom's
finest and most trust-worthy Bible Colleges.
{3} I was not aware that Moody Bible Institute had Calvinistic leanings.
{4}"You don't even know what the hell you teach"___God's Truth
{5} I want no part of your approach to discussion.
{6} At this point, I do not plan to respond to any more of your posts.



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You CALLED what I said as FALSE.

Next time you judge me as false you should be more careful.

 

[JAGG]

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you curse yourself when you preach falseness and tell untruths about others.
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False.
I not curse.
I do not preach falseness.

 

[God's Truth]

JAGG

It is obvious that you don't care about God's Truth.

Do what you said you were going to do and stop posting to me.

More untruthfulness from you. Did you forget your #5, and #6?

{1} If you want to attack Moody Bible Institute to go right ahead and attack them to your heart's content.
{2} Moody Bible Institute has been going for decades and it is considered to be one of Christendom's
finest and most trust-worthy Bible Colleges.
{3} I was not aware that Moody Bible Institute had Calvinistic leanings.
{4}"You don't even know what the hell you teach"___God's Truth
{5} I want no part of your approach to discussion.
{6} At this point, I do not plan to respond to any more of your posts.{with the exception that I will
post False if you make a False accusation about me or what I say.}

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[JAGG]

JAGG
It is obvious that you don't care about God's Truth.

False.

Do what you said you were going to do and stop posting to me.

I modified what I said as follows {see the boded black down below}

{4}"You don't even know what the hell you teach" ___God's Truth
{5} I want no part of your approach to discussion.
{6} At this point, I do not plan to respond to any more of your posts.{with
the exception that I will post False if you make a False accusation
about me or what I say.}

More untruthfulness from you.

False.
I do not post untruthfulness.

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[meshak]

"I am not interested in debating anything."___Meshak


So then we will not be disagreeing about anything?
We will merely be chatting about the Christian Faith?
And chatting about following the Lord Jesus?
And not debating or disagreeing on anything?
Just having a devotional chat?
Is that what you mean?
If that is what you mean, it sounds good.
You can start off and tell me what is on your mind?
What do you want tp talk about specifically?

You said we need to be educated by theologians.

thats the huge difference between mainstreamers and my faith.

We dont have to have or need their approved knowledge to serve God and Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

False.



I modified what I said as follows {see the boded black down below}

{4}"You don't even know what the hell you teach" ___God's Truth
{5} I want no part of your approach to discussion.
{6} At this point, I do not plan to respond to any more of your posts.{with
the exception that I will post False if you make a False accusation
about me or what I say.}




False.
I do not post untruthfulness.

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I proved you say untruthful things.

Now you also said you don't argue. You prove that was false.