Catholics: Muslims are your brothers and sisters

[egyptianmuslim]

Why I'm as a Muslim follow Jesus because I see that Jesus' s method is good for fighting Satan inside myself. Jesus by himself did not add any religion but he directed the people how to do their religion and to fight Satan.

 

[Angel4Truth]

What does prevent me to be. a Muslim in Christ??? nothing
But I see many peoples here in TOL are not in Christ, Egyptian Christians mostly are in Christ and they have a good relation with Muslims.

There is no such thing as a "muslim IN Christ"

 

[egyptianmuslim]

There is no such thing as a "muslim IN Christ"

Judio-Christianity was the religion of apostles.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Judio-Christianity was the religion of apostles.

Again, there is no such thing as a 'muslim in Christ', if they were in Christ, they would be a christian. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

We are either children of God or children of the devil, we are all children of the devil before becoming children of God.

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Have you received Christ as your Lord and Savior? Have you followed the gospel of salvation? 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

"Now I make known to you brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures . . . "

Does this apply to you?

Romans 10:9-10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation

 

[egyptianmuslim]

Again, there is no such thing as a 'muslim in Christ', if they were in Christ, they would be a christian. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.




Have you received Christ as your Lord and Savior? Have you followed the gospel of salvation? 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

"Now I make known to you brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures . . . "

Does this apply to you?

Romans 10:9-10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation

Jesus was a Jew , I don't say that I'm in Paul.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Jesus was a Jew , I don't say that I'm in Paul.

Jesus is God, and are you calling yourself a muslim in a jew now? Before you asked if you could not be called a muslim in Christ.

 

[meshak]

Why I'm as a Muslim follow Jesus because I see that Jesus' s method is good for fighting Satan inside myself. Jesus by himself did not add any religion but he directed the people how to do their religion and to fight Satan.

Do you know that Jesus teaches to love your enemy?

BTW, not all Christians are Trinitarians.

 

[aikido7]

My experience studying Islam and other faith traditions has shown me that Americans are basically illiterate when it comes to religion. Even their own concept of Christianity is too often narrow and one-dimensional.

There was a real Jesus and there was a real Mohammed. The early followers of both men twisted the original message for their own ends.

When Jesus died he resurrected and ascended. When Mohammed died he was taken to Heaven on a white stallion.

Both examples were ways in which their followers chose to frame their deaths.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

My experience studying Islam and other faith traditions has shown me that Americans are basically illiterate when it comes to religion. Even their own concept of Christianity is too often narrow and one-dimensional.

There was a real Jesus and there was a real Mohammed. The early followers of both men twisted the original message for their own ends.

When Jesus died he resurrected and ascended. When Mohammed died he was taken to Heaven on a white stallion.

Both examples were ways in which their followers chose to frame their deaths.

Jesus's disciples were murdered because they refused to recant the testimony of what they saw with their own eyes. That Jesus was resurrected and that He proved that He was everything He said He was.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

Why I'm as a Muslim follow Jesus because I see that Jesus' s method is good for fighting Satan inside myself. Jesus by himself did not add any religion but he directed the people how to do their religion and to fight Satan.

His Spirit in us, His love in us, His truth in us is His method.

 

[Eric h]

Have you received Christ as your Lord and Savior? Have you followed the gospel of salvation? 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

The Parable of the Good Samaritan starts by asking, what must I do to inherit eternal life? And it ends with, do as the Samaritan did. The expert in the law. belonged to God's chosen people, the Good Samaritan was outside of God's chosen people. Presumably, the Samaritan did not follow Jesus, so how could he be saved?

It seems that at the time of Jesus, Samaritans and Jews, had the same kind of relationship as Muslims and Christians have today.

Only Jesus died for the forgiveness of sins, it is only Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead. We cannot possibly judge in the same way that Jesus will judge.

Luke 10

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[e] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

 

[egyptianmuslim]

Jesus is God, and are you calling yourself a muslim in a jew now? Before you asked if you could not be called a muslim in Christ.

l said many time that Jesus did not establish or develop a new religion ....but a mode of life that grows the peace and love between people also he was against hypocrites and told the people not to forget the majors of the religion like mercifullness.
I can not say that I'm a muslim in jews because they practicising different rituals.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

When Jesus died he resurrected and ascended. When Mohammed died he was taken to Heaven on a white stallion.

Both examples were ways in which their followers chose to frame their deaths.

Christians have proof that Christ rose from the dead and went into Heaven.

What proof do you have that Mohammed did?

Should be an interesting exercise for you,

LA

 

[egyptianmuslim]

Christians have proof that Christ rose from the dead and went into Heaven.

What proof do you have that Mohammed did?

Should be an interesting exercise for you,

LA

You have no any living proof except your Holy book that isn't holy in the eyes of others.

 

[Aimiel]

You have no any living proof except your Holy book that isn't holy in the eyes of others.

Actually, the four gospels, alone, provide more proof of Jesus' actual existence than we have for any other figure in antiquity. The harmony of the four authors as well as their own disparity provides more proof than you might suspect. Despising the Truths provided to Christians simply because you've been hoodwinked by words of demons (Koran) doesn't discount the Truth or the proofs provided in The Holy Scriptures.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

l said many time that Jesus did not establish or develop a new religion ....but a mode of life that grows the peace and love between people also he was against hypocrites and told the people not to forget the majors of the religion like mercifullness.
I can not say that I'm a muslim in jews because they practicising different rituals.

Not a new religion, but a revelation of the love and power of God, and Kingdom of God by what Jesus said and did. I have found in personally trusting Him; His love and power in my life confirms everything that He said and did.

 

[aikido7]

Jesus's disciples were murdered because they refused to recant the testimony of what they saw with their own eyes. That Jesus was resurrected and that He proved that He was everything He said He was.

Jesus offered and granted salvation to many--long before his blood was spilled on the cross.

And I see a Jesus in the New Testament who did not believe in a blood sacrifice for sin. He and John the Baptizer saw repentance as the key, not a sacrifice. The theological idea of "dying for humanity's sins" is a later overlay placed upon Jesus after he died.

When Jesus quoted Hosea he talked of a God who advocated "mercy, not sacrifice." And he openly confronted the Temple rites in Jerusalem.

 

[aikido7]

Christians have proof that Christ rose from the dead and went into Heaven.

What proof do you have that Mohammed did?

Should be an interesting exercise for you,

LA

The truth of every religion comes from the life and deeds of their founders. My only proof is that all religions use metaphors for describing the proof of their beliefs. Myth and metaphor are what human beings use when they attempt to describe an infinite God.

Mohammed rode a horse, Jesus rose from the dead and the baby Buddha emerged from his mother's womb talking, walking and preaching.

All of these metaphors refer to the importance of their founders. In my view, they are not to be understood as literal.

I believe in the truth of the resurrection. I just don't think its ultimate meaning has anything to do with a resuscitated body. Even Paul denied a bodily resurrection. His theology describes a "glorified body" not a physical one.

The resurrection to me is that Jesus's power and presence can still be felt and seen, thousands of years after his death.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

Jesus offered and granted salvation to many--long before his blood was spilled on the cross.

And I see a Jesus in the New Testament who did not believe in a blood sacrifice for sin. He and John the Baptizer saw repentance as the key, not a sacrifice. The theological idea of "dying for humanity's sins" is a later overlay placed upon Jesus after he died.

When Jesus quoted Hosea he talked of a God who advocated "mercy, not sacrifice." And he openly confronted the Temple rites in Jerusalem.

Jesus's words: "the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified" Matthew 26:2
"The Son of Man goes as it was written of Him" Matthew 25:24
"This is the blood of my covenant which is poured out for the many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 25:28

 

[egyptianmuslim]

Actually, the four gospels, alone, provide more proof of Jesus' actual existence than we have for any other figure in antiquity. The harmony of the four authors as well as their own disparity provides more proof than you might suspect. Despising the Truths provided to Christians simply because you've been hoodwinked by words of demons (Koran) doesn't discount the Truth or the proofs provided in The Holy Scriptures.

Quran does noy deny raising of Jesus to heaven.