Calvinist Version of John 3:16

meshak

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Epoisses said:
Yes he has oh foolish one but you seem unable to confound any on this forum. We've seen your doctrine before and shredded it to pieces as the dung it is. Jesus was mighty in word and deed so his true followers should be as well. Who wants to follow an idiot?
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FYI,

FYI, there are a few admirers of him.

they are glorydays, pj and ClimateSanity.
 
Nanja

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Robert Pate said:
It saves those sinners that receive salvation as a gift from God. That leaves you out.
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Before a person is Born of God, made Spiritual, his own receiving of salvation is merely a work of the flesh which cannot please God Rom. 8:8. That's why you can't please God, Pate! IOW it's utterly worthless in God's sight!

1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Nanja said:
Before a person is Born of God, made Spiritual, his own receiving of salvation is merely a work of the flesh which cannot please God Rom. 8:8. That's why you can't please God, Pate! IOW it's utterly worthless in God's sight!

1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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You are testifying against yourself.

You are the natural person. You cannot receive the truth of the Gospel. In the Gospel Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14. So that now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. You have never called on Christ to save you, therefore you are not saved.
 
Nanja

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Robert Pate said:
You are testifying against yourself.

You are the natural person. You cannot receive the truth of the Gospel. In the Gospel Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14. So that now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. You have never called on Christ to save you, therefore you are not saved.
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Your comments are evidence that you have been intentionally blinded to the Truth of the scriptures 2 Cor. 4:3-4. And you deny the efficacy of Christ's Blood to save all those it was shed for. That's blasphemy!
 
beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
In my soul winning days John 3:16 was one of my favorite scriptures that I would read to the unsaved. There is just so much truth in John 3:16. Many people have come to know Christ as their savior by doing nothing more than reading John 3:16. If Satan had his way he would have it removed from the Bible.

Here is the Calvinist version of John 3:16.

"God only loves a few of us and has damned the rest to hell. So that those of us who have been predestinated should not perish, but have everlasting life".

Fortunately it doesn't say that at all. Here is the correct interpretation of John 3:16, line by line and word by word.

"For God so loved the world"
It was God's plan before he created the heavens and the earth that his Son Jesus Christ would be the savior of the whole world, Colossians 1:14-19. God loves all of his creation and loves the crown of his creation, humanity, so much that he gives his only begotten Son for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

"That he gave his only begotten Son"
When God gives something it means that something must be received, John 1:12. In this case it is salvation. Salvation is offered to man as a free gift from God, Romans 5:18. If God imposed salvation (Calvinism) then it would not be a free gift it would be an imposition. If God imposed salvation then there would be no need for God to give us his Son.

"That whosoever believes in him should not perish"
This is to simple for many. Paul said that the Gospel was a simple message. The religious are the ones that want to add something to this. The Catholics insist that it is the Gospel plus your good works that will save you. There is nothing about works in this scripture. To him that does nothing more than believes in Jesus as his savior, he will be saved. Even little children understand this.

"But have everlasting life"
This is the reward or the compensation for believing in Jesus, which is eternal life. Our salvation cost us nothing, but it costs Christ everything. "For he has made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him, 2 Corinthians 5:21. This eternal life is our real life that has been hidden with Christ in God, Colossians 3:3. It is also the abundant life, John 10:10.

"For God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

Read this to someone today.
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Hey, you don't even believe that the death of Christ saves. How can you when you teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost.
 
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Nanja said:
Your comments are evidence that you have been intentionally blinded to the Truth of the scriptures 2 Cor. 4:3-4. And you deny the efficacy of Christ's Blood to save all those it was shed for. That's blasphemy!
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Again, you are testifying against yourself.

You are the one blinded to the Gospel, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is the savior and the redeemer of the whole world. The scriptures refute you, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14, John 12:47, John 3:16.
 
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