The Old Testanent is was made between God and Israel, not Mohamad. Islam goes through all the right actions for all the wrong reason. It is my opinion that Islam will hear I never knew you from Jesus.bigbang123 said:
BRXII Battle talk
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CabinetMaker said:
questioning, doubting or disbelieving that the bible is the divinely authored and infallible guide for this life and the next is neither a finite nor infinite offense and is certainly not just grounds for eternal torment in hell
Is rejecting God a finite offense?bigbang123 said:
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i said
you said
the claim
according to a book - god spoke to moses and said kill certain people
the claim
according to a book - allah spoke to mohamad and said kill certain people
to an objective outsider looking at all of this - it all looks equally crazy
bigbang123 said:
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CabinetMaker said:
the claim
according to a book - god spoke to moses and said kill certain people
the claim
according to a book - allah spoke to mohamad and said kill certain people
to an objective outsider looking at all of this - it all looks equally crazy
Memento Mori
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bigbang123 said:
I know that God spoke to Moses telling Moses to kill his son Isaac. However, I haven't heard anything about Muhammad being told to kill anyone by Allah. Some citations would be nice.
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CabinetMaker said:
that's a loaded question like - when did i stop beating my wife?
your question supposes that i believe that the biblegod and the Creator of the Universe are one and the same - i don't believe that.
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CabinetMaker said:
How about nailing God to a cross? Jesus seemed to think it was pardonable...
Since you don't believe in God, why do you care if hell is eternal or age-during? It would obviously not apply to you either way.bigbang123 said:
As a believer I say hell is real and nasty unpleasent and I want you to join me in heaven. Your biggest complaint is what happened to all those people who never heard of God. That is a straw man argument. The Bible was not written to answer every question we may have. It was written to help us develope a relationship with God. Out of that relationship grows caring and service for others. I will worry about you, me family, my neighbors and those that live in the same little corner of the world I do. I will trust God to deal with the rest of the world AND I will make myself available to God if He wants me to go to other parts of the world.
You answered your own question. Can you answer mine?Dave Miller said:
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CabinetMaker said:
Don't have to, Jesus already has.
And what did He say?Dave Miller said:
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Memento Mori said:
i don't know it well enough to find exact verses - but here are some interesting verses for those raised in a moslem country and choose the koran over the bible
verses from the koran
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"But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."
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But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment.
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Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
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All who obey Allah and the messenger are in the company of those on whom is the Grace of Allah,- of the prophets (who teach), the sincere (lovers of Truth), the witnesses (who testify), and the Righteous (who do good): Ah! what a beautiful fellowship!
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Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchquran.html
Well.... since you completely ignored the point of my post I am going to completely ignore you.Dave Miller said:1. You are wrong because there is a great deal of scriptural evidence supporting
universalism. You choose to ignore it, or say its application is "contextual" and
therefore not worth considering.
2. Logos has acknowledged this REPEATEDLY You were right in pointing it
out, he was right in apologizing, now it would be right of you to show a little GRACE
in a situation which has obviously been very embarrasing for him. 'Tis the season, after
all. Otherwise those ghosts that visited BillyBob last night may have to visit you
as well
3. I have seen some excellent works composed completely as scholarly collections
of referenced quotes. Usually this is in the context of comparing the thoughts of one
historic figure against another, so its not out of the question to have a properly
referenced excellent work composed almost completely of others' thoughts, creatively
woven to illustrate a point.
I think the lack of reference was the larger fault here, and I think
that Logos' focus on that aspect in his apology was most appropriate. But I also agree
that the use of wholesale lengthy verbatim material in the response was outside
the bounds of the rules of this debate, as Poly so aptly pointed out, and Kevin
GRACIOUSLY allowed.
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bigbang123 said:
Interesting, I have to say.
I think I'll take religious study in college.
I do see the parallels; but then you must consider that both faiths were born from Judaism, but split off at Abraham's sons. I mean if two kids share a parent they're bound to have parallels but I'm just conjuring possibilities, since there are similarities with other former polytheistic beliefs.
I guess, we'll find out when we're dead, won't we?
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CabinetMaker said:
you are killing me - and you know better
i believe in the Creator of the Universe - i just don't believe the Creator of the Universe and the biblegod are one and the same.
you do - i don't
we will just have to agree to disagree on that point.
in the afterlife, if there is an afterlife - i see 3 possibilities
1) i'm right in my belief that you are wrong
2) you're right in your belief that i'm wrong
3) we are both wrong
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2 Timothy 3:13-17
13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 4:1-5
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 4:1-5
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
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PastorKevin said:
2 things.
1) The word you seem to have found as "inspired" is actually "God-breathed" meaning God spoke it.
2)You're using the second set of verses as a logical fallacy that makes you seem always correct no matter who says what about it.
bigbang123 said:
Its a sad way to live life, with three possibilities. I greatly prefer life with faith in God so that I can know.
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Inspired and God breathed mean the same thing in the context of this text. It's all given by inspiration of God (i.e. God-breathed). All Scripture is God-breathed! Amen!
NKJV
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
KJV
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
NIV
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
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