If you really want to know........
If you really want to know........
I'm not seeing a correction. I'm actually seeing corroboration :noway:
If interested in the greater truth of the matter, you need to read my total response to GM and investigate the links, which prove my points sufficiently, as well as give any one interested the resources to see the similiarities between traditional Christian theology and UB cosmology/theology.
Thats for starters,..if you don't do that, there isn't much point in continuing discussion, since you will be ignorant of the fundamentals and important concepts.
I wont stand by and let ignorant remarks and misrepresentation go on, when there are facts that disprove those assumptions. The UB is sometimes lumped into being a UFO cult, but no UFOs were involved in the materialization of the papers, neither are UFO's discussed in the papers (the UB includes 196 papers, which are like 'chapters'). That's the truth. A person can ignore that fact and go on and on with false identifications and presumptions such as GM, whose wily ways and dramafied posting antics are already well known, to which he exaggerates and uses mock-comedy comments to his ego's content.
However, as I've shared and addressed in all my posts expounding on the papers,...you can use your intelligence and take my explanations for what they are worth and how they relate to whatever subject we are discussing. GM, journey, Aimiel and other people pot-shotting the UB, denouncing it as 'garbage', 'demonic', 'satanic', etc.....without intending to carry on an intelligent discussion, only muddy the waters, while discussing valid religious concepts and philosophy are the preferred way to go about it. My response to GM in this thread and many places elsewhere STAND,
on the subject of the UB. take it or leave it. - be ignorant or know the facts, evaluate the info....then you can make an informed analysis of the material.
Further, the correlation is that one who believes strongly in UFO's, ALSO believes in the legitimacy of the Ur-Papers, such that GM is calling them both into question at the same time.
I've had a 'ET Theology' thread in the past (wonderful thread with lots of info. dealing primarily with spiritual teachings from ET contacts), and have currently
'The Disclosure Project' thread in the Politics section, dealing mostly with 'exopolitics',....the event if/when we would have to deal diplomatically with ET visiters or any inter-planetary associations/trade...or merging of our culture with off-planet cultures. This thread naturally deals with UFO's, secret technology, free-energy systems, etc....as Steve Greer heads the organization known as 'The Disclosure Project' where government employees and associates have come forward with testimony of ET related contacts, technology or associations within the government. People can poo poo UFOs but there is always more about the subject, with many implications and possibilities for our planet, and life on other worlds.
Example: If I came onto TOL and said I believe Santa Claus is real (St. Nicholas is/was), and that I'd seen the Easter Bunny, by association, both are questionable with sufficient reason for doubt. It depends on one's understanding/acceptance. If someone believe UFO's are a hoax, you have little hope of presenting Urantia in the next breath as legitimate, or bigfoot either. Make sense?
I see what your saying (but still stretching correlaries), but GM is falsely representing and making a continual mockery of myself, Caino and Zeke being UFO nuts, when this is NOT true of the collective. Associating UFOs with the UB is a false and only indirectly assumed 'association' because it speaks of inhabited worlds and expounds a super-cosmology-construct of the Master Universe, with many worlds with life evolving on them. But NO UFOs' are mentioned or revealed in the Revelation itself. Nowhere.
So,...you can call the UB a UFO related or 'UFO Cult' (it is something associated with being one online or elsewhere), but that is not the whole truth, and isn't the truth at all. So its ridiculous, unjustified and simply WRONG to keep making UFO jokes towards any UB readers, since not all UB readers even believe in UFOs, while some might. Its incoincidental, and only relative if one has branched out more openly to investigate the entire field of ET or angelic contacts). Its simply mock-jock antics and buffoonery, and I call it for what it is.
That's the brass tacks here, if the UB is to be truthfully examined, while its points on religion, philosophy and science are fully open for
discussion. That's all I've ever been on that thread, an expositer or expounder, relating various ideals, concepts, doctrines within Judeo-Christianity or universal principles therein, since the UB includes those yet expands on those, having its own interpretation and 'view' of things. An open discussion, then accepting to agree or disagree after dialoguing on the various points is all that I expect, in a civil respectful manner, addressing the text itself,
and what is actually being 'communicated'. Ive been over this over and over on the thread. I know that might be too much to ask for for some folks, but that's a sound intelligent reasonable way to go about it. The UB is a treasure-trove of info. that can be a platform to discuss concepts of religion and philosophy, in a greater revealed cosmology and the ascension-plan of souls, a creative expansion on the subjects, having fun discussing it.
I also might add, this confusion and misrepresentation on GM's part is further skewed, in that Caino does not expressly believe or focus on any UFO's in his theology or belief in God, his world-view being more spiritualist, as the UB describes,....all souls going on along a program of eternal progression, to higher realms ultimately towards the Universal Father. No UFOs or tin foil hats there needed.
Also, Zeke is not even a UB enthusiast, neither has he read a lot of the UB at all, but shares his esoteric/symbolic perspectives from a universal point of view, concerning all religious memes, mythos or symbols, in their allegorical and archetypal meanings, translating those to what transpires on an inner level in the human soul,....the outward stories and myths being a 'literal' representation of what goes on within, the psychological/spiritual experience of life revealed in literal terms. Such is the esoteric, metaphysical or 'mythicist' perspective, not taking the literal for being necessarily true or historical, but only allegories. As far as Zeke's belief in UFO's I've never discussed such with him in depth, so this lumping myself, Caino and Zeke into a UFO cult is LAUGHABLE at best.
Again,...the field of Ufology and ET contacts is a separate study in itself. The ignorance continues by the nay-sayers since they have not even gained a precursory knowledge or familiarity with the UB itself, its cosmology, theology, Christology, eschatology, etc,....which is unique in itself, although sharing much of the same values, meanings and ethics of Chrsitianity, of course,..but in a greater cosmological context of newer revelation, depth of insight and profundity.
Any conservative Christian is free to reject such, but its fair for him to at least learn what the UB is, its general teachings, the presentation from official UB representatives (like the Urantia Foundation, UB Fellowship, etc.), the actual reading/considering of the text,...so one can then intelligently address and discuss it. Again, this is the logical, just, reasonable thing to do, if you're going to critique, judge or expound upon any subject the text is describing, explaining or teaching. Such are basic requirements for a discussion on the subject or subjects involved.
Anyways, at this point,...I'm treating most my explorations as a journey of creative writing......all are free to get back to whatever subjects related to 'religion' interest you. Have at it :surf:
pj
