The majority of black nfl players had no problem with Trump’s grabber line. Trump probably learned it from them.
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The majority of black nfl players had no problem with Trump’s grabber line. Trump probably learned it from them.
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Of course not. Otherwise I would have quoted him.
It was close enough. It was a complaint, if made by a morally advanced man, but it was made by a moral juvenile instead. They're talking about the same thing though, which is that some people lose their moral minds, when they're around "stars."
Right. You see how there's nothing there about assault or rape, thank you for reminding us of what he never said or implied. He said that these people lose their moral minds when they're around "stars," that's it right there. "You can do anything," and, "They let you do it."
Well it's not pleasant, that's for sure. Neither the phenomenon he's talking about, nor his response to it, which is clearly coming from someone with weak morals on the mark. He reminds me of an immature horny teenager, how he brags about what people let him do to them, just because they're around a "star."
Oh. So do you think there's any moral fault with the people he's talking about, who behave differently when they're around "stars?" Is all the responsibility on him, and him alone? Isn't he saying, that if he weren't a "star," that none of this would be happening to him?
Note that I agree, that just because the opportunities are presented to "stars," doesn't nullify their responsibility to choose the right and moral and good thing, instead of the alternative; I'm only clarifying that what he's talking about is a tango. He's given opportunities for immoral behavior, and he's taking them, and he should be leaving them, but they also shouldn't be given to him in the first place.
Produce three (in keeping with your word "some"), because I'm unfamiliar with any such cases.
And President Trump is far from sexist or chauvinist or misogynist. He's dedicated to excellence, and he does not care what sex, gender ID, sexual orientation, race, religion, political affiliation or philosophy, or anything else that form peoples' identities, so long as these things at worst do not hinder excellence on the part of their performance and results. He's hired top performing women for decades, decades before he ever thought of running for POTUS, so it wasn't for PR or his public image, but belied a value of bona fide equality that he holds.
That's funny!
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Let's speculate what some of the wives of these protesters might be saying behind the scene.
News Reporter: NFL protesters may lose their job (and their paycheck).
Wife: You better get your behind on your feet, clutch your heart, and sing at the top of your lungs, fool !!!!!
Yeppers.
We've all seen or heard about groupies that cater to stars in immoral ways, and will do just about anything for their attention.
Thus, when Trump said "They let you", it was not news to us.
They are all the same,
To me, punishing men of the olden days is the same as punishing "Johns" for having sex with prostitutes.
lain: Why you didn't quote him and why you interjected the narrative you did was the point in my response.Not by a long stretch, which is why I noted what he actually had to say. No complaint involved. He was bragging about the latitude his power gave him.
What's the complaint, in inference that his hands or lips might tire? The closest he came to a complaint was in confessing his inability to seduce a married woman.
You're half right. There's nothing about rape. An unwanted advance and touching of someone is actionable. In some jurisdictions it's known as an indecent assault, but in any jurisdiction if you touch someone, make sexual advances that involve contact you better know they're agreeable before you actually make contact.
You might be surprised how many involuntary sexual contacts are made by men who feel they were allowed to do something, and how many women had a different impression of intimidation or even fearful capitulation.
He reminds me of someone who feels entitled and oblivious. We can't accept that his impression of acquiescence is accurate. Is it oblivious, self-justified, inaccurate? We know a number of women have a very and contrary perspective on his conduct.
For his actions? No. For their own? It's a case by case. By way of, if someone allows his advance because they hope to benefit by it then they're one thing. If they feel pressured and silenced by his ability to destroy them, it's something else.
For his actions? Sure.
His belief that it is, which isn't necessarily true.
Or, sometimes that's the case and sometimes he only believes it is the case...or sometimes he doesn't care and this is how he justifies the whole of it.
Were you out of the country for an extended period of time around the election cycle? Otherwise, Google "women accuse Trump of unwanted sexual advances" and sit back for a bit.
Here's a link to one: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-trump-sexual-assault-accusers-story-corroborated-by-six-people/
From the article's opening:
Six friends and colleagues of People magazine reporter Natasha Stoynoff are corroborating her first-person account of being kissed and groped by Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago over a decade ago, a charge that Trump denies.On the night Stoynoff says she was attacked by Trump, she called her former journalism professor, Paul McLaughlin, to seek his advice, according to an account he gave People. Stoynoff was in tears, and she asked him what she should do.
“I advised her not to say anything, because I believed Trump would deny it and try to destroy her,” he said. McLaughlin thought she should keep quiet because there was no way of knowing how Trump might retaliate.
“I advised her not to say anything, because I believed Trump would deny it and try to destroy her,” he said. McLaughlin thought she should keep quiet because there was no way of knowing how Trump might retaliate.
I think you're confusing use with regard and the underlying attitude/mindset. He understands value. It doesn't follow that he isn't sexist, chauvinist, or misogynist. There have been racists who paid black people a lot of money to play sports and make themselves richer by the investment, by way of illustrating the principle.
It's funny that the left now wants to focus on the Access Hollywood tape which has no admissions or evidence of a crime, and avoid the growing number of rape accusations, masturbating in front of women without consent and unwanted sexual contact by Weinstein, nor the large number of people that covered it up for years. This all started with a post by jgarbage about Trump and sex in a NFL boycott thread, but let's keep it going, huh?
drbrumley
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Hmmm, then the apostles should have been patriotic and obeyed the priests when they said don't speak of this Jesus ever again according to that kind of logic.
Actually, no they are not. I forgot who said this, but it is spot on. Whatever the U.S. flag used to represent, since the so-called Civil War it has been a war flag. It doesn’t represent America. Perhaps it should. But it now represents an evil government with an evil empire.
Does this government speak for me....no, never has.
Does my representative in Congress speak for me...no he hasn't
Does my Senator speak for me...no he hasn't.
Does my government think babies in the womb are human....no they don't.
Does my government think it's ok to pick pocket me to death to support their bad ideas....yes they do
And what do they do......they wrap themselves up in a flag that used to mean something and hide behind it every second, everyday. But all governments do this....do stupid stuff and I'm supposed to thank God for it? Hardly!!!!
Leave.
drbrumley
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How about you leave...see how that works.....and I want my flag back. The Stars and Stripes that has been coopted.
Not actually true, as I noted prior. It's not evidence of rape, to be sure, but it's a pretty strong case for the likelihood of an assault. More than that when coupled with the witness of a number of women.
Weinstein? He's foul. And the world is coming for him.
ClimateSanity
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Hmmm, then the apostles should have been patriotic and obeyed the priests when they said don't speak of this Jesus ever again according to that kind of logic. .....Burnley
The priests were not a nation state.
The priests were not a nation state.
Foxfire
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Meanwhile (back to the Boycott NFL thread):
German soccer team takes a knee in a show of support of the NFL players.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/soccer/german-team-takes-knee-show-solidarity-nfl-players-article-1.3562340
German soccer team takes a knee in a show of support of the NFL players.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/soccer/german-team-takes-knee-show-solidarity-nfl-players-article-1.3562340
ClimateSanity
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Don't the flag and the anthem symbolize what makes this country greater than any on earth or in history?
ClimateSanity
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Being patriotic is a far cry from injecting politics into a game.
ClimateSanity
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Patriotism is much more than mere politics. NFL games are national events. They are events that we participate in as a nation. Being patriotic at such an event is only natural.
ClimateSanity
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There is only the likelihood of an assault if there is proof the women did not throw themselves at him and that there were clear signals his advances were not wanted and that he was the one to initiate things or that he purposely arranged the circumstances of their meeting to put them in a weak position. All there with Weinstein and absent with Trump.
How do you figure that NFL games are national events? Fans are their for their own teams, not a national team, not because of the US. The national anthem is done before the games but the actual game has nothing to do with the US or patriotism.
Maybe to you. Does it have to for everyone? :idunno: