BATTLE TALK ~ BRX (rounds 1 thru 3)
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fool said:
I said "God demands a p***s on every pastor" and he changed it to "Demands a male". Why? No idear. Perfectly fine word and no inappropriate slang was in play.
And thats what it comes down to in the end. Not gifting, which is what is truly required to be a pastor. But whether or not you possess a specific reproductive organ which has absolutely nothing to do with being an effective pastor.
Now, I never claimed that Joyce Meyer or other women pastors are perfect in their doctrine and are all good in every way like we are. Fact remains, she probably has effected far more people for God and the good then Enyart and Lamerson combined. Much like Focus On The Family isn't perfect and needs to change.
TheologyOnLine.com, where the truth hurts.chance said:
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Yes, but it hurts so gooooooood! :chuckle:Knight said:
Besides, "women pastors" is one of those mythological concepts, a fantastical construct that exists only in imagination. Like dragons, and unicorns, and homosexual marriage, and 4-point Calvinists.
Some people believe in 'em... but they don't actually exist.
"and 4-point Calvinists." :rotfl: Oh man . . . that made me chuckle. :up:RightIdea said:
I resent the remark about 4-point Calvinists.
I'm a four point Calvinist.
1. Hobbes IS alive
2. Calvin IS the centre of the universe.
3. Calvin's folks are long-suffering
4. Rosalyn is scary.
There I rest my case.
T.
I'm a four point Calvinist.
1. Hobbes IS alive
2. Calvin IS the centre of the universe.
3. Calvin's folks are long-suffering
4. Rosalyn is scary.
There I rest my case.
T.
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Chance,
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Unless your using irony, I can’t tell by this single post, are you (trying?) being critical in a broad sweeping/general sense? (Is it really possible to be critical (scrutiny) and generalize?)
To the point
Do you think that God through Paul’s writings (our one Apostle) teach us that women are supposed to be leading (national, and likely international) teachers promoting Charasmatic Tom Fullery and thus contradicting the teachings for the dispensation of the Grace of God which we live in today?
I see Clete stating two main things.
You said
Are you against the positive contribution (the points Clete made) of a concise and insightful post from an effective poster, without even “addressing” ANY of the points?chance said:
Unless your using irony, I can’t tell by this single post, are you (trying?) being critical in a broad sweeping/general sense? (Is it really possible to be critical (scrutiny) and generalize?)
To the point
Do you think that God through Paul’s writings (our one Apostle) teach us that women are supposed to be leading (national, and likely international) teachers promoting Charasmatic Tom Fullery and thus contradicting the teachings for the dispensation of the Grace of God which we live in today?
I see Clete stating two main things.
- There is a problem when women overstep their roles and do not keep their place concerning doctrinal leadership (although my understanding is that she is a teacher, not a pastor, but symbolism does not trump substance). At the same time, I’d pretty much classify her with about 99.9% of the pastors and scholars and teachers as well. She is not alone.
- Regardless of her role issues, she apparently contradicts the distinctive message given to us through Paul for this current dispensation via the so-called charismatic activity of the HS. Even is she is “mildly” charismatic, as in mixing the teachings for the previous dispensation in with our current one, the result is drastic and sad.
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I thought that she claims to be a "teacher", not a pastor... Or am I wrong?
In any case, as per my gleanings on the topic, “women pastors” are generally in error and operating against the teachings from scripture, “unless” the men in the congregation cannot do a better job of leading the church.
I think “usurping authority” can not happen when the men are not in authority. But I assume that is a reasonable exception allowed by scripture as we had a few female church planters in scripture that seemed prominent in early churches.
My understanding is based upon the assumption that when our current dispensation started, there were very few men qualified to teach and preach the revelation for this particular dispensation until the message got out and was sufficiently studied, thus very early on, some women were prominent in early church startups (women leaders in church).
Make sense?
I thought that she claims to be a "teacher", not a pastor... Or am I wrong?
In any case, as per my gleanings on the topic, “women pastors” are generally in error and operating against the teachings from scripture, “unless” the men in the congregation cannot do a better job of leading the church.
I think “usurping authority” can not happen when the men are not in authority. But I assume that is a reasonable exception allowed by scripture as we had a few female church planters in scripture that seemed prominent in early churches.
My understanding is based upon the assumption that when our current dispensation started, there were very few men qualified to teach and preach the revelation for this particular dispensation until the message got out and was sufficiently studied, thus very early on, some women were prominent in early church startups (women leaders in church).
Make sense?
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Actually when the verse is read in context it says wives should be silent...fool said:
lol, ssshh she'll hear you
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