Originally posted by bmyers
Not really much of a problem, though, since pretty much anyone will have direct experience of these things. Once again, things do not have to be seen to be reasonable to accept as existing.
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jeremiah
Yes and preety much everyone, especially Born again Christians can tell you of direct experiences with God or the Spirit of God. However you can dismiss them all as unreasonable, I suppose.
As well as the experiences of astronomers and astronauts, doctors and biologists. physicists and chemists, engineers and designers. From the beginning of man to the present age, from the most simple child to the most brilliant minds, you can hear[or read of] them telling of direct experiences and the inexplicable ways of God, and you can dismiss them all because you can not see with your own eyes what thay can describe in detail to your ears.
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Of course, but then you're OPEN to examination and ridicule regarding ANY belief. You will only actually BE "ridiculed," though, if someone else thinks that YOUR belief is completely unreasonable. There are some people, of course, who will find your beliefs unreasonable for reasons which are, themselves, ridiculous - but then, we generally ignore those people and call them "crazy." The only real problems that come up for any of us is when people question our beliefs and seem to have some good reasons for doing so. Otherwise, to misquote Richard Feynmann, why would YOU care what other people think?
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jeremiah
I care what people think because I observe that ideas have consequences and that people's minds can be swayed to believe that which is not true. As a young student in high school and college I was persuaded to believe that evolution was true. Almost everything that I was taught as true evidence of evolution has been refuted by creation scientists. However modern evolutionists laugh at that and say. "That is not the real evidence for evolution, we never believed that either, here is the real evidence." Then when some of that is refuted then it becomes something else. It goes on and on. The evoltionists will always have a new theory and something that can not be absolutely falsified or absolutely proved to support their claims. Evolution is unfalsifiable, no one can go back 5 billion years or less to falsify it absolutely.
I have said it a couple times before and I will repeat it again. Scientists are very intelligent and studious humans who are discovering and reverse engineering the processes of God's Creation. They then purposely MUST leave God out of the equation {to remain true objective Scientists} and then say this is how everything works. See there is no need for a god to explain how everything came into being.
For example the scientists on this forum are explaining to the uninformed that many reactions are not random. That certain chemicals and elements under certain conditions always react in a certain way. Therefore there is no need to model impossible mathmatical models of evoltuion. Everything is not random in the process. BUT they seldom seriously ask themselves the two remaining questions. 1. What is the mathematical model for the random events. 2. Who, or how is it, or why, do the chemical and elemental laws and invariability of them always apply. 2 Possible answers 1. Its just natural. Does that really settle it or answer the question?
2. God made things and holds all things together by His laws and His will. That answers the question and creates the next question. Who is this God and why can't I see Him? How can I get to know Him?
But if evolutionary lies are accepted as truth, then young minds and impressionable minds will not seek God, they will not have a Saviour and they will die in their sins.
That is why it is important to me what people think. I hate lies and evolution takes the truths of the world we observe, stamps them with a 5 billion year earth and makes God unnecesary irrelevant and unreal.
Man, not God is real, but he is also ultimately unnecessary and irrelevant. God is only a remote possibility and speculation. Man is a mere speck of life in a billion galaxies with a trillion more possible highly evolved and intelligent lifeforms. Man is nothing, man is dead. Welcome to the wonderful world of death. This is what evolution ultimately teaches. I have children, I do not want them to believe in lies, especially lies that lead to a culture of death.
I want them to believe in the truth. I want then to have life and to believe in the God that created all life and wants to give them eternal life.
Even if the belief in the God of the Bible and or any god was responsible for all the evil some men have alleged, then if evolution and atheism be true, then a belief in God is a mere brief chapter in the long history of life, and it is really evolution that is ultimately responsible for all death, and every evil of a species it happened to bring about.
If that be true let us get rid of evolution and not trifle with the mere figments of mens minds?
The real question for atheists who care about such things, is not how do we stop all the killing caused by religious beliefs, but rather how do we stop the process of evolution, it brought about religion AND man, and it, evolution, is killing every living creature.
Just like Aussie Thinker was sick and tired of hearing the same Bible verses quoted over and over. I am sick and tired of hearing about the wonders of science and evolution. Evolution sucks. Evolution is death. Why are you atheisits and agnostics so fond of it? At least be HUMAN and say that you believe it is true, but you really don't like it either!!!???
God has said that you will seek Him and you will find Him when you seek Him with all your heart. Elsewhere He says seek me as you would look for a buried treasure of gold.
You have to seek God on His terms. He is not likely going to come to you on your terms.
Seek God and look for Him as diligently as you look for the next scientific discovery that supports evolution. If you do I have no doubt you will find Him, because you will be looking with all your heart.
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