Atheists and abortion

[quip]

A woman got pregnant from a rape and you believe that gives her a free pass to murder an innocent human being?

Yes.

 

[Kdall]

Then why are you saying someone should kill her baby?



You seem to have a much different opinion of the peer group than I do, since you seem to think they are justified in ridiculing a rape victim.


That would be a justifiable action if I killed her baby.

All right. I'm not engaging you further until you quote me where I, as you say, "think the peer group is justified in ridiculing a rape victim." The way some of you "Christians" blatantly lie is sickening

 

[Kdall]

A woman got pregnant from a rape and you believe that gives her a free pass to murder an innocent human being?

I'm still waiting for you to tell me if you'd force your own daughter, who'd been raped and impregnated as a result, to go through with the pregnancy if she didn't want to. Anytime you want, feel free to answer

 

[genuineoriginal]

I'm still waiting for you to tell me if you'd force your own daughter, who'd been raped and impregnated as a result, to go through with the pregnancy if she didn't want to. Anytime you want, feel free to answer

I am still waiting for you to come up with something better than you think killing an innocent baby is better than allowing your daughter to be ridiculed because she got raped.

Your lack of moral compass is very disturbing.

 

[genuineoriginal]

A woman got pregnant from a rape and you believe that gives her a free pass to murder an innocent human being?

Yes.

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[Kdall]

I am still waiting for you to come up with something better than you think killing an innocent baby is better than allowing your daughter to be ridiculed because she got raped.

Your lack of moral compass is very disturbing.

So that's another refusal to answer? Nice!

Where's that quote of me saying "I condone peer ridicule of rape victims" that you said you had?

 

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:idunno:

 

[Lighthouse]

It is sick. But it happens, and if you put her through it knowing that's going to happen, you too are sick

You have labeled yourself a Christian. The truth is you are a Godless reprobate, a heretic and a liar.

Can you draw me a picture with a potato? It isn't really a scientific question, primarily.

Do you think that you can do without making a determination about what a person is? And then, how do you do so?

Did you fall on your head?

 

[genuineoriginal]

So that's another refusal to answer? Nice!

I have made my position clear.
Refusing to have any part of the murder of my own grandchild is a both a moral and a religious decision on my part.
Your decision to force your daughter to murder your grandchild is both immoral and irreligious.

Where's that quote of me saying "I condone peer ridicule of rape victims" that you said you had?

So, how would you convince your daughter's peers that being raped is something to be ridiculed?
Are you going to dress your daughter in a clown costume and stand her on in front of her school with a sign saying, "Laugh at me because I got raped and refuse to get an abortion"?

 

[kiwimacahau]

Abortion is not murder.

 

[fool]

I don't want you taking out your rage on anyone, least of all your daughter. Why would you ever make her go through the trauma and humiliation of, first, being forcibly raped, then having to carry to term while being ridiculed by her peers?

It is sick. But it happens, and if you put her through it knowing that's going to happen, you too are sick

You don't seem to grasp this. I said what the peers do is sick. Making fun of a poor victim for something out of her control is wrong, but you can't change how people are. What you CAN do is not make your daughter go through the ridicule. Maybe you don't remember how kids are, but they're mean. When they see a weakness, they poke at it. Not all obviously, but some of her peers would call her a slut, whore, and so on. Perhaps they don't believe her story that she was raped, or maybe they don't care. Either way, she's going to suffer at their hands.

All right. I'm not engaging you further until you quote me where I, as you say, "think the peer group is justified in ridiculing a rape victim." The way some of you "Christians" blatantly lie is sickening

So that's another refusal to answer? Nice!

Where's that quote of me saying "I condone peer ridicule of rape victims" that you said you had?

What you said (quoted above) is that killing the baby is justified because the girl will get ridiculed.

Why not actually solve the problem and kill the people that ridicule the rape victim?

If someone teases your kid do you beat up your kid or the people teasing them?

Would you rather be known as a person who was raped or a person who killed their own child?

 

[fool]

Do you have a single constructive thought to add to the conversation? Or did you just start this thread in order to have a peanut gallery to join?

Rex, you've been here long enough to know the answer to that.......

 

[genuineoriginal]

Abortion is not murder.

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Homicide is the act of a human being causing the death of another human being.
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Under the common law (law originating from custom and court decisions rather than statutes), murder was an intentional killing that was:
•unlawful (in other words, not legally justified), and
•committed with "malice aforethought."
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Abortion is the act of a human being deliberately causing the death of an innocent human being with malice aforethought.

Since the person causing the death has no legal justification (the baby is innocent), abortion is murder under common law, whether the legal system will acknowledge it or not.

 

[Lighthouse]

Abortion is not murder.

Is it ethical? Is the child innocent? Is the killing intentional?

 

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_____
Homicide is the act of a human being causing the death of another human being.
_____​

_____
Under the common law (law originating from custom and court decisions rather than statutes), murder was an intentional killing that was:
•unlawful (in other words, not legally justified), and
•committed with "malice aforethought."
_____​

Abortion is the act of a human being deliberately causing the death of an innocent human being with malice aforethought.

Since the person causing the death has no legal justification (the baby is innocent), abortion is murder under common law, whether the legal system will acknowledge it or not.

Show me a legal precedent where I've every right to take your kidney (esp. against your will) to further my life.

Likewise, incipient life has no inherent right to mom's body.

 

[Stripe]

Abortion is not murder.

The opinions of homos do not count.

 

[kiwimacahau]

As I'm not homosexual then that is not a problem.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Show me a legal precedent where I've every right to take your kidney (esp. against your will) to further my life.

So, the mother has no right to take the baby's life against his/her will in order to further her own life?

Good argument against abortion.

 

[Stripe]

As I'm not homosexual then that is not a problem.

It says "Anglican" right there! :AMR:

 

[kiwimacahau]

That kind of comment is unacceptable.