Nanja
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Salvation isn't conditioned on anything a person does Eph. 2:9.
Those that Christ died for were reconciled to God while being enemies Rom. 5:10
Are You Legally saved?
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Salvation isn't conditioned on anything a person does Eph. 2:9.
Those that Christ died for were reconciled to God while being enemies Rom. 5:10
So, you think that God sent his only begotten Son into the world to atone for the sins of the world, but no body is supposed to respond to that or believe it?
Romans 5:10 does not say "WHILE" they are enemies. It says when they "WERE" enemies. Which means that they repented and called on Christ to save them. God will not have any enemies in heaven. Before you are reconciled you must be at peace with God and his Son Jesus Christ.
Nanja
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Right. No works a person does can get himself saved.
Before a person is Spiritually Regenerated, no amount of responding, or anything else he does can please God Rom. 8:8; 1 Cor. 2:14.
God's election of Grace Rom. 11:5 were Saved before they repented, called on Christ, etc. Yet they do all those things as evidence that they are Saved Rom. 8:9.
2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
Rom. 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
These same ones, Chosen In Union with Christ before the foundation of the world to have remission of sins Eph. 1:4-7, are the Election of Grace spoken of in 2 Tim. 1:9.
You have misinterpreted Ephesians 1:4-7. God has chosen all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ. We know this to be true because God is no respecter of persons, Acts 10:34. Jesus has victoriously reconciled the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. Not just you. Everything that God does he does corporately not individually. When Jesus died on the cross he died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.
Nanja
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No I have interpreted those verses correctly.
It's you who have misinterpreted those verses.
God has not chosen all of humanity in Christ, and Christ did not die for the sins of the whole world of humanity.
But Christ gave His Life for the World of His Sheep John 10:11; 15; His Church Eph. 5:25; His People Mat. 1:21! They are one and the same: All the Election of Grace Eph. 1:4-11; 2 Tim. 1:9.
Scripture is clear that there are Two Seeds of mankind:
Gen. 3:14-15
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent [the devil], Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed [Cain [non-elect]; 1John 3:12] and her seed Eve's; Christ; Gal. 3:16, 29 [Elect].
The seed the devil sowed in the world are all the non-elect, whom God never loved, but reserved them for everlasting punishment.
Mat. 13:38-40
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat. 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Now with regard to your erroneous understanding of Acts 10:34:
John Gill comments:
You have a negative view of God and his Son Jesus Christ that is not Christian.
You want to believe that God is unjust and has the right to condemn people to hell before they are born.
The God that you believe in is not the God of the Bible.
Nanja
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The Lord who is the Author of the scriptures Truly is my God!
But your god and savior is your own freewill.
If you believed the scriptures which you don't, then the God of the Bible would be your God.
You prefer the words of a heretic than God's word. You think that there is something wrong with the Bible. There is nothing wrong with the Bible, but there is a whole lot wrong with what you believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ.
Nanja
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You can't hear because you are void of the Holy Spirit.
Is that kind of negativity helpful or constructive?
No one knows that they are wrong if someone doesn't tell them.
beloved57
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pate
Thats a lie. It says nothing about that its made available to all men, no more so as the afore mentioned :
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; " That Judgment unto condemnation was made available to all men."
This is more of this posters handling the word of God deceitfully !
Thats a lie. It says nothing about that its made available to all men, no more so as the afore mentioned :
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; " That Judgment unto condemnation was made available to all men."
This is more of this posters handling the word of God deceitfully !
beloved57
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You dont even believe that Christ's death alone saved them He died for !
Salvation has been made available to everyone by Jesus Christ. This is what the Bible teaches.
"That he (Jesus) might taste death for EVERYONE" Hebrews 2:9.
"Who will have ALL MEN to be saved" 1 Timothy 2:4.
B57 does not believe the scriptures. He prefers the teachings of the heretic John Calvin.
KingdomRose
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Replying to post #1:
"HE THAT HAS ENDURED TO THE END IS THE ONE THAT WILL BE SAVED." (Matt.24:13)
Jesus said it.
Salvation involves more than just believing. Enduring implies strenuous action.
"HE THAT HAS ENDURED TO THE END IS THE ONE THAT WILL BE SAVED." (Matt.24:13)
Jesus said it.
Salvation involves more than just believing. Enduring implies strenuous action.
they have been told over and over but they don't believe what Jesus says.
Which Bible Translation do you use? New World Testament?
Nanja
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Christ died exclusively for God's Elect, His Sheep John 10:11, 15; His Church Eph. 5:25; His People Mat. 1:21.
The same were chosen to belief of the Truth 2 Thes. 2:13, of which is Faith, a gift of the Holy Spirit, is given in New Birth Gal. 5:22.
John 3:27
John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
There is no other way to obtain Salvation in Christ, but by God's Election of Grace 2 Tim. 1:9!
Rom. 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.