Are you Going to Heaven?

[OZOS]

Libertarians are disgusting aren't they? Baby killers, homosexuals, drug pushers, pornographers, you know, those who if they say the right words, will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

You are no better than they are, except your own priggish mind.

You can only copy and paste verses in an attempt to back your cheap grace theology.

I quote the Bible because, unlike your unqualified opinions, the Bible is God's word. You just can't handle the truth.

When difficult questions are asked, you run like a coward (yes I did borrow that off Aaron, may he RIP).

I have addressed all your mindless dribble, so you're lying again. It's all you know how to do. I have no idea who "Aaron" is.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

aCultureWarrior said:

Libertarians are disgusting aren't they? Baby killers, homosexuals, drug pushers, pornographers, you know, those who if they say the right words, will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

You are no better than they are, except your own priggish mind.

So what you're saying is that the person who may on occasion struggle with sinful thoughts and behavior, but prays to God to help him overcome those temptations and has faith in Him that He will, is no better than those who proudly murder babies, engage in same sex buggery, push recreational drugs and make money off of smut?

aCultureWarrior said:
You can only copy and paste verses in an attempt to back your cheap grace theology.

I quote the Bible because, unlike your unqualified opinions, the Bible is God's word. You just can't handle the truth.

Verse swapping is boring and really doesn't achieve much in a theological debate, unless it's a moral absolute verse that is used. Many frauds will take a verse out of context or use one that is open to interpretation.

I like having a practical discussion, asking "Why would God allow people into Heaven who have no sorrow for committing things that He abhors?"
Why would He?

 

[OZOS]

Reasons why aCW is NOT going to heaven.

1. There is only one gospel that saves, and it is by grace, through faith, apart from works.
(aCW has repeatedly proclaimed that works are necessary to be saved).

2. Believers are known by what they say they BELIEVE concerning the gospel, not what they DO, for no one can DO it right.
(aCW has repeatedly affirmed that he is gong to heaven because of what he DOES, and his neighbor is going to hell, because of what he DOES.)

3. Repentance is "turning" from believing that you are justified by works to being justified by faith. It is "turning" from trusting in your own righteousness, to receiving God's righteousness as a gift. True repentance acknowledges that only God can do something about sin, and that He has, through the once for all sacrifice of His Son. It is "turning" from the shadow (Law / you and what you are DOING) and facing the Son (grace / fixing your eyes on Jesus and what He has DONE).
(aCW teaches a false repentance for salvation, claiming that he has must deal with sin, by changing what he does, thus making himself his own savior, and the sacrifice of Jesus meaningless).

ALL believers acknowledge what sin is, and they trust that Christ alone has died for their sins. Anyone who claims that their sin, is "not a sin", has provided evidence that they have never believed the gospel. They have rejected the shed blood of Jesus for their sin. Anyone who claims that their neighbors sin disqualifies them from eternal life, but their sin does not disqualify them, is blinded by their own self-righteousness. They are without Christ and without hope.

 

[Omniskeptical]

Libertarians are disgusting aren't they? Baby killers, homosexuals, drug pushers, pornographers, you know, those who if they say the right words, will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

I do love exposing frauds like you. You can only copy and paste verses in an attempt to back your cheap grace theology. When difficult questions are asked, you run like a coward (yes I did borrow that off Aaron, may he RIP).

I notice you forget liberals.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Reasons why aCW is NOT going to heaven.

Back to the unanswered question of why would God allow anyone in Heaven that hasn't shown (at least) sorrow for his or her actions while here on earth. You admitted that the thief on the cross act of sorrow was enough repentance to receive Jesus' grace, why would the homosexual 'married' (30 years) to another male who says the necessary words yet shows no regret and has no desire to repent (a change of mind, heart and actions) be allowed in Heaven?
By the way, I don't believe you've actually defined what repentance is, even though you didn't attempt to refute that the word is mentioned over 50 times in the New Testament alone and stated that it's a necessary part of salvation.

Edit: I see that you butchered the definition of repentance in your rant (#3) above. So the homosexual 'married' to another male (for 30 years) only has to "accept the gift" that Jesus died on the cross and rose on the 3rd day, but as long as he does so he can go on living in sin and not feel sorry or guilty about it and have no desire to change and Jesus will overlook it?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I notice you forget liberals.

They're pretty much one in the same, i.e. "It's MY body and I ca do with it as I please!"

 

[OZOS]

So the homosexual 'married' to another male (for 30 years) only has to "accept the gift" that Jesus died on the cross and rose on the 3rd day, but as long as he does so he can go on living in sin and Jesus will overlook it?

Again, "sin" is lawlessness, and in view of the Law, YOU are "living in sin". Therefore, you condemn yourself.

"Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things."

Oh, look at that, I used the Bible again, to prove that you're an idiot.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Again, "sin" is lawlessness, and in view of the Law, YOU are "living in sin". Therefore, you condemn yourself.

"Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things."

Oh, look at that, I used the Bible again, to prove that you're an idiot.

Just so that I can understand this new form of Christianity that you're teaching, the abortionist that has murdered thousands of unborn babies in the womb, or the homosexual who wasn't "disciplined" and gave HIV/AIDs to dozens of his sex partners (sigh, if only he had been 'married' to the same male for 30 years, that wouldn't have happened) DOESN'T have to want to change (his mind, heart and actions) in order to go to Heaven (as long as he says the right words), but that having faith in Christ and through Him and the Holy Spirit having the great desire TO change will keep that person from Heaven?

Can you confirm what I just said by saying "yes" so that I can go straightjacket shopping for you, but me thinkz you've already been fitted for one before <wink>.

BTW, when you're talking about "the Law", you're of course talking about the 613 laws that the Jews were to keep, which Jesus rescinded in the New Testament. Note that Jesus didn't rescind God's universal moral laws though (murder, sexual sins, stealing, etc.), so quit using that term, as it's just misguiding the conversation we're having.

 

[OZOS]

Just so that I can understand this new form of Christianity that you're teaching, the abortionist that has murdered thousands of unborn babies in the womb, or the homosexual who wasn't "disciplined" and gave HIV/AIDs to dozens of his sex partners (sigh, if only he had been 'married' to the same male for 30 years, that wouldn't have happened) DOESN'T have to want to change (his mind, heart and actions) in order to go to Heaven (as long as he says the right words), but that having faith in Christ and through Him and the Holy Spirit having the great desire TO change will keep that person from Heaven?

Can you confirm what I just said by saying "yes" so that I can go straightjacket shopping for you, but me thinkz you've already been fitted for one before <wink>.

Read it again, dummy, a little slower, or have your mommy explain it to you.

ALL believers acknowledge what sin is, and they trust that Christ alone has died for their sins. Anyone who claims that their sin, is "not a sin", has provided evidence that they have never believed the gospel. They have rejected the shed blood of Jesus for their sin. Anyone who claims that their neighbors sin disqualifies them from eternal life, but their sin does not disqualify them, is blinded by their own self-righteousness. They are without Christ and without hope.

You repeatedly admit that YOUR sin does not disqualify you for heaven. but your neighbor's sin does. That places YOU outside the faith.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Read it again, dummy, a little slower, or have your mommy explain it to you.

ALL believers acknowledge what sin is, and they trust that Christ alone has died for their sins. Anyone who claims that their sin, is "not a sin", has provided evidence that they have never believed the gospel. They have rejected the shed blood of Jesus for their sin. Anyone who claims that their neighbors sin disqualifies them from eternal life, but their sin does not disqualify them, is blinded by their own self-righteousness. They are without Christ and without hope.

You repeatedly admit that YOUR sin does not disqualify you for heaven. but your neighbor's sin does. That places YOU outside the faith.

I'll take that as a "yes" i.e. the unrepentant abortionist and AIDS riddled homosexual (who wasn't 'married' to another male for 30 years) who DOESN'T want to change (his mind, heart and actions) in order to go to Heaven (as long as he says the right words), will spend eternity with God, but those that have faith in Christ and through Him and the Holy Spirit have the great desire TO change will not go to Heaven?

As I told you under your other accounts, I only usually give a few minutes to the rambling mental case talking on the street corner, I've given you more than enough to bury yourself for eternity (Matthew 18:6)

Repent, before it's too late.

 

[OZOS]

I'll take that as a "yes" i.e. the unrepentant abortionist and AIDS riddled homosexual (who wasn't 'married' to another male for 30 years) who DOESN'T want to change (his mind, heart and actions) in order to go to Heaven (as long as he says the right words), will spend eternity with God, but those that have faith in Christ and through Him and the Holy Spirit have the great desire TO change will not go to Heaven?

As I told you under your other accounts, I only usually give a few minutes to the rambling mental case talking on the street corner, I've given you more than enough to bury yourself for eternity.

Repent, before it's too late.

What "other accounts"? You're paranoid and delusional.

Unlike you, I have already repented. I have already believed that Jesus died for all sins, of all men, for all time - "It is finished". I have already turned from trusting in my own righteousness through my works (obedience) to trusting in Christ's finished work on the cross. THIS ALONE IS THE ONLY REPENTANCE THAT SAVES. You have NEVER repented. What you have done, and continue to do, is attempt to do something about sin "change your actions", which, as the apostle Paul clearly describes as a false repentance.

And again, because you are a liar, and lack basic reading comprehension skills, you repeatedly make statements I have never said or endorsed, because I refuse to go down in the sewer with you and your self-righteous perversion. You will never see the glory of God in heaven.

So, once again, here is the evidence against your plethora of lies and slander.

ALL believers acknowledge what sin is, and they trust that Christ alone has died for their sins. Anyone who claims that their sin, is "not a sin", has provided evidence that they have never believed the gospel. They have rejected the shed blood of Jesus for their sin. Anyone who claims that their neighbors sin disqualifies them from eternal life, but their sin does not disqualify them, is blinded by their own self-righteousness. They are without Christ and without hope.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

So, once again, here is the evidence against your plethora of lies and slander.

ALL believers acknowledge what sin is, and they trust that Christ alone has died for their sins.[

Correct, Christ died for mankind's sins, but not so mankind would keep on proudly sinning.

Anyone who claims that their sin, is "not a sin", has provided evidence that they have never believed the gospel. They have rejected the shed blood of Jesus for their sin.

Then you should have denounced the homosexual ('married' to another male for 30 years) for not having the desire to change his mind, heart and actions towards his sin. But thanks anyway for admitting that the unrepentant homosexual ('married' to another male for 30 years) never believed in the gospel. <wink>

Anyone who claims that their neighbors sin disqualifies them from eternal life, but their sin does not disqualify them, is blinded by their own self-righteousness. They are without Christ and without hope.

Not true. You're putting the repentant sinner who through Christ and the Holy Spirit wants to change his immoral and destructive mind, heart and actions, on the same playing field as the abortionist and homosexual ('married' to another male for 30 years) who has no desire to change his mind, heart and actions.

Sigh, he tries so hard.

 

[OZOS]

Correct, Christ died for mankind's sins, but not so mankind would keep on proudly sinning.

Sin is sin, dummy. God does not tolerate humble sinning, you moron.

Not true.

It is true.

You're putting the repentant sinner who through Christ and the Holy Spirit wants to change his immoral and destructive mind, heart and actions, on the same playing field as the abortionist and homosexual ('married' to another male for 30 years) who has no desire to change his mind, heart and actions.

Nope, I have not. I have not walked down the "no desire" path, in any of my posts, only you have, because you still have no clue what the gospel is. Please show me, from the Bible, where the tax collector stopped sinning.

"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Please show me in the Bible where Rahab stopped being a harlot.

"By faith the harlot Rahab did not perish with those who did not believe, when she had received the spies with peace."

Please show me, from the Bible, where the apostle Paul stopped practicing evil...

"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice."

Again, you continue to fail in this debate, because you cannot separate what you do from what you believe about what Christ has done. I have not ventured off the path into speculation about some made-up scenario where a believer would suggest that homosexuality is acceptable behavior. I have stayed on the path of correcting your false teaching, where you have repeatedly suggested that salvation requires more than faith and that no one is saved unless they "repent (turn) from their sins". It's a lie.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

...where you have repeatedly suggested that salvation requires more than faith and that no one is saved unless they "repent (turn) from their sins". It's a lie.

I'm really amazed that the people at this forum wouldn't attack a cheap grace theologist such as yourself, who says that abortionists that have no desire to change their mind, heart and actions through repentance will still go to Heaven, as the vast majority of people here are very anti abortion (homosexuality is another subject, as I learned how they feel about homosexuality in my 6 part thread titled "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!").
Because you're leading others into eternal damnation with your cheap grace theology, you really should be fitted for your own personal millstone (Matthew 18:6).
Oh and Ozos, tell that guy that has been 'married' to another male for 30 years to get fitted for his millstone as well. <wink>

 

[OZOS]

I'm really amazed that the people at this forum wouldn't attack a cheap grace theologist such as yourself

That's because those people are not as stupid as you. If they are believers, they already know that there is no such thing as "cheap grace" and they also know that I have never advocated for any such nonsense. YOU are the one who waters down the grace of God by claiming that the sin of others is worse than your own.

who says that abortionists that have no desire to change their mind, heart and actions through repentance will still go to Heaven, as the vast majority of people here are very anti abortion

Well, those people also know that you're a liar, and I never suggested any such thing. Those are YOUR words, you perverted slandering pile of dung. I seriously doubt that there is anyone on this board who is more "anti-abortion" than I am, including your pathetic donkey's butt.

YOU, are the one who is advocating for a false gospel that saves no one. I am advocating for the ONLY gospel, by which men are saved (by grace through faith in the finished work of the cross).

Here is another Bible verse for you...

"And the grace (χάρις) of our Lord was exceedingly abundant (ὑπερπλεονάζω), with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus.

χάρις - charis
ὑπερπλεονάζω - hyperpleonazo

The apostle Paul believes in "hyper grace", not "cheap grace". Have you actually ever read the Bible?
The words "exceeding abundant" are translated from the Greek word ὑπερπλεονάζω (hyperpleonazo) from which we get our word "hyper".
The grace of our Lord was hyperpleonazo.

You have repeatedly mocked the shed blood of Jesus for all sin, by calling the grace of God "cheap" for those who sin differently than you do.
The self-righteous believe that their neighbor's sin disqualifies them for eternal life, while they "wink" at their own.
You're a clown, aCW, and a fool, and everyone (both believers and unbelievers), on this board, knows it.

 

[ok doser]

... the people at this forum ...

Most of the people at this forum recognize you as a troll and ignore you.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Most of the people at this forum recognize you as a troll and ignore you.

I didn't give you my "consent" to talk to me that way.

Moral Obligation

I asked this question in a different thread: What is a moral obligation? i.e. what does that term mean? Please bring a few examples of moral obligations This was in the context of COVID and Freedom, but the question is a general one. Anybody care to answer?

theologyonline.com

 

[aCultureWarrior]

If they are believers, they already know that there is no such thing as "cheap grace"

Donald Trump's (seen in my avatar proudly waving the rainbow flag of perversion and death) first Supreme Court pick Neil Gorsuch (you've heard of Gorsuch, he wrote the majority opinion on the pro homosexual, pro abortion ruling known as "Bostock v Clayton County GA), goes to one of those churches that doesn't see abortion and homosexuality as a sin. I'm not sure what's worse, a church that doesn't acknowledge certain sins or your cheap grace crowd that acknowledges sinful behavior but doesn't think God cares if mankind repents of that mindset and behavior.
Both are hellbound for not embracing God's Word, so I guess I don't have to decide which one is worse.
BTW, when you say that you believe in the gospel, how about the Gospel of John where Jesus says:

"If you love me you'll obey my commandments.".
John 14:15

Twist that one to meet your God-hating agenda.

 

[OZOS]

Donald Trump's (seen in my avatar proudly waving the rainbow flag of perversion and death) first Supreme Court pick Neil Gorsuch (you've heard of Gorsuch, he wrote the majority opinion on the pro homosexual, pro abortion ruling known as "Bostock v Clayton County GA), goes to one of those churches that doesn't see abortion and homosexuality as a sin.

Once again, you either are ignoring what I've said, are clearly a moron, or intentionally lying.

ANYONE who claims that their sin "is not a sin" is not saved, and has never believed the gospel. They deny that Jesus died for their sin, when they homosexuality, abortion (murder), adultery, stealing, coveting, slander, and LYING are not a sin.

I'm not sure what's worse, a church that doesn't acknowledge certain sins or your cheap grace crowd that acknowledges sinful behavior but doesn't think God cares if mankind repents of that mindset and behavior.

What's "worse", you misguided, demon possessed, prig, is you calling God's grace "cheap", when YOU are the one who claims that it is insufficient to take away sin.

BTW, when you say that you believe in the gospel, how about the Gospel of John where Jesus says:

"If you love me you'll obey my commandments.".
John 14:15

Wow, you first mock those who quote you a Bible verse, and then you do the same. Hypocrite.

I'd ask you to answer these simple questions, but knowing that you've never really read the Bible, you won't and can't.

1. Did Jesus teach under the Law to those under the Law? Gal 4:4-5
2. Do you have your eyes and hands? Matthew 5:28-30
3. Have you sold ALL that you have and given it to the poor? Matthew 19:21
4. What happen when Jesus died? Hebrews 9:16-17
5. According to the Apostle Paul, what must someone "obey" to be saved? Rom 6:17; 2 Thes 1:8
6. Is the Law still in effect for the Body of Christ? Eph 2:15; 2 Cor 3:13 (KJV)

 

[ok doser]

I didn't give you my "consent" to talk to me that way.

Moral Obligation

I asked this question in a different thread: What is a moral obligation? i.e. what does that term mean? Please bring a few examples of moral obligations This was in the context of COVID and Freedom, but the question is a general one. Anybody care to answer?

theologyonline.com

Eat dirt, troll