"Peter, you might deny me three times."
"Before the rooster crows, you will deny me three times."
Which is the correct statement above?
"40 days and Nineveh might be destroyed!"
"40 days and Nineveh will be destroyed!"
Which is the correct statement above?
I say again, Peter could have repented.
Is there a difference between determinism and foreknowledge?
Yes, of course!
You should always be on the look out for words that end with "ism". They very often do not mean the same thing as the word without "ism" on the end.
Things that are foreknown are determined but that does make it "determinism".
Determinism is the philosophical proposition that every event, including human cognition and behavior, decision and action, is causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences. -
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I say quote two is the accurate one. Either Christ knew Peter would deny or God made it happen.
I say quote two is the accurate one as well and that Peter could have repented just as Nineveh did.
Here are two instances.
Revelation 5:5 Revelation 7:13
Revelation 5:4 So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it. 5 But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.”
Revelation 7:13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
These read to me as though John is not predicting that these words will be said in the future but that the Elder told him this while he was seeing the vision, as though he were narrating.
I agree, it is hard to quote context when I don't always understand your context, but I do endeavor to correctly post OV quotes.
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Not where my understanding of foreknowledge is different than yours. I say God can and does know future actions of man. He named Josiah 300 years before Josiah was born. He knew Josiah would be born , that his father wouldn't be infertile, that Josiah would be a good king. etc. etc. God knew the number of days David would live and wrote them down before David was born. Jesus knew Peter would deny Him 3 times. We are clearly not on the same page for a definition of foreknowledge.
Foreknowledge means to know something in advance - period. I don't care about your opinion concerning the definition. The definition is what it is. You might disagree with me about what God does and does not foreknow but I see no difference in the definition of foreknowledge itself.
Mine is simple, yours has all kinds of qualifiers and nuances.
How is mine full of qualifiers and nuances?
God knows things in advance. He does not know everything in advance but that doesn't mean he doesn't know a lot of things. My 4 year old could understand that. It isn't complicated at all.
If you want to talk about complicated lets discuss how one can have free will and God know everything you will ever do. Now that's complicated.
Here is where you say I misquoted you. I said you've told me outright in the clock analogy thread that future cannot be known, but this is the exact definition of foreknowledge.
No it isn't! The definition of foreknowledge is to know something in advance. The something known does not have to be the exhaustive contents of the entire future.
It does not mean predetermine, there is a great Greek word for that. It doesn't mean predict, there is a great Greek word for that too. It means literally "Knows the future."
It means to know something in advance.
Main Entry: fore·know
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)fȯr-ˈnō\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): fore·knew \ˈnü, -ˈnyü\; fore·known \-ˈnōn\; fore·know·ing
Date: 14th century
: to have previous knowledge of : know beforehand especially by paranormal means or by revelation
Webster
Prognosis: Literally precognition
Strong's 4268
See also proginosko (
Strong's 4267)
Resting in Him,
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