Here SS denies the very purpose of our life as human beings; without which the entire plan of salvation become meaningless. Not to mention the fact that this line of thinking subordinates us to the garden and the plants and animals therein. According to Synth here was were created for their benefit, not the other way around.
And here's the clincher...
Clete - "You ignore the context of 1 Corinthians 15! Look just a few verses earlier...
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
How could Adam have died spiritually if he never had a spirit to begin with?"
Now, was Christ risen spiritually? or physically? Physically. The resurrection was physical; the death was physical; it was all physical.
Here Synth denies the very gospel itself. He first denies that man's problem is spiritual since Adam didn't have one (and by extention neither do any of his decendants), then he denies that God died spiritually.
The Christian faith cannot survive such a doctrine. Synth is not a Christian and likely never has been. He came here pretending, we thought, to be an Open Theist; now we learn that it goes much deeper than that; he was pretending to be a Christian.
The Hebrew is "dying you shall die." When Adam ate the fruit, part of him was *awakened*, and then it was only then that Adam became *like God*. "Dying thou shalt die." The process of dying began when Adam ate.
Nice twist but when Adam's fellowship with God ended, he was spiritually dead - then and there. Being separated from God is what it means to be spiritually dead.
Further, this declares the lie of Lucifer to be the truth! It was Lucifer who said that if Adam and Eve ate that they would be like God!
Further still, the implication here is that the fall (i.e. sin) was a necessary event for our having any relationship with God at all! Lucifer did us all a favor when he tempted Eve!
Tell me, how can a man believe this and call himself a born again Christian?
I've never read Augustine, except for minor portions. I've read far more Carl Jung than I have Augustine.
Another lie. Synth lies more easily than anyone other than his mentor Hilston.
I didn't say anything about your having read a word of Augustine, Augustine boy!
I said:
Circular reasoning.
Your conclusion is assumed in the premises.
Another lie! Synth is a fountain of intentional and blatant lies! It makes one wonder whether he knows what a lie is!
On the contrary, there is every reason to doubt it. Clete wants the readers to simply turn off their minds and to trust him. "There is simply no reason at all to doubt..." translates to "please please don't doubt this, it's our pet doctrine, so whatever you do, don't try to substantiate it Biblically, just assume its true because it's been told to you."
:vomit:
Now anyone who has been on this forum for longer than a week knows that this is a lie! If it weren't so tragic it would be humorous.
Adam was created to tend the garden and to have dominion over the earth. Where does relationship at all enter into this? That Adam was created for "relationship" is an assumption that has gone on in Christendom for too long. Just as the prerequisites (spiritually alive, et al) for said "relationship" prior to the opening of man's eyes has been a mere assumption for far too long. It's time to shake the dust of our boots off on this thing.
Synth takes one more opportunity to denigrate man to the level of common beasts of the field.
The Son has always had the appearance of a man.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
The angels as well are described as men throughout the Hebrew scriptures. Look and see.
This is blasphemy! Taken by itself it may actually be true enough but this was said in response to my having asked "Can a non-spiritual being be in any sense "in the image of God"? ... Is God flesh (or was He at the time)?"
God did not have a fleshly body before the Incarnation - ever! He has not always been a man nor has He always had a body.
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
According to Synth, it would have been impossible for Adam to worship God UNTIL he ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil!
If that isn't blasphemy then there is no such thing.
There was no need for God to create anything, no, not one single thing. He made what He made simply for the pleasure of it, nothing of necessity. He didn't need to make an earth that had to be tilled, but He wanted to.
This was in response to a point which Synth knew that I did not make and thus is yet another lie. His knowledge that I have made no such point is evidence by his very next sentence...
No, there wasn't a need to have a creature mde in His own image for this tast, but that's what it pleased Him to do. And that's what the Bible (our authority) says He created Adam for.
Again, we are relegated to an janitorial service in which our existence has no meaning outside of taking care of the rest of God's creation. This renders the creation itself meaningless not to mention the entire plan of salvation. For what purpose are we saved? To pull weeds and milk the cows for the rest of eternity?
Synth is not a Christian and is not saved. He denies the nature of God, he denies the plan of salvation, he denies his spiritual need, he denies the spiritual death and resurrection of Christ.
I hope that clears it up.
Synth, any response to this post will be most likely ignored so you don't have to bother responding although I know you won't be able to resist doing so.
Resting in Him,
Clete