ARCHIVE: Is it ever OK for a Christian to hate someone?
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ItIsWritten
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Big Kahuna, please translate into newbie-speak:
Thank you.
?Knight said:
Thank you.
Well people are obviously evil so I don't think the point is built a worthy premiss do you?Mr. 5020 said:
ItIsWritten
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Sorry. I was slow on the uptake there.kmoney said:
Thank you.
God doesn't seperate the sin from the sinner.
What is sent to hell? The sin or the sinner? :think:
What is sent to hell? The sin or the sinner? :think:
We all agree God is good no?
So could we agree that a good God wouldn't do something that is not good?
So could we agree that a good God wouldn't do something that is not good?
Mr. 5020
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Right, but when He sends them to hell, He does not call them evil, He calls them workers of evil [iniquity].Knight said:
Matthew 7:22-23 KJV
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
So?Mr. 5020 said:
Evil isn't a being unto itself so of course it would take a being to act out evil. That being said God says we are what we are....
Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinks in his heart, so is he.
Therefore if a man thinks evil a man is evil.
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.Mr. 5020 said:
It all depends on the circumstances right?
I think it's really intuitive, yet we complicate it ourselves by not understanding that hate is morally neutral.Mr. 5020 said:
Mr. 5020
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I guess I'm scared because I don't want to be like a certain preacher from Kansas* that also preaches that hate is morally neutral.Knight said:
*http://www.godhatesamerica.com
God_Is_Truth
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Knight said:It gives them a chance to repent. Read this thread and see for yourself or ask lovemeorhateme and see what he says.
well, like i said before, i think it's the kindness of God that leads to repentence. hating is certainly different from kindness.
well if it were "so clearly" we wouldn't be discussing it now would we?
except it doesn't say unrighteous. it just says "hate".
and another example where it doesn't say it's unrighteous hate. it just says hate.
some hate is ok, towards evil things. but i've yet to see reason to hate individuals.
by the way, did you overlook my post on Jesus and his sermon the mount?
God_Is_Truth
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Knight said:
the sinner is sent to hell because he sins. he is morally responsible for what he does. but that doesn't mean God hates him. God is acting justly towards him. a judge can love the defendant with all his heart, and still convict him of breaking the law.
that sounds strangely like total depravity :think:
however, i do not think this would justify our hating individuals. i believe we all were born with parts of us that were evil. those parts lead us into committing sin. but we are never so far gone that we cannot repent of our evil and turn to God.
that is why i don't believe we are ever completely evil. complete evil would never repent, never turn away. and since all can turn away, they are not completely evil. and as long as there is some good in people, then there is still hope, and i will continue to do what is necessary to bring the individual to repentence. and as i see it now, that would never include hating them, as hating them would push them away.
That's where I had trouble understanding. Before to me the thought of a Christian hating someone seemed anti-Chistlike, but once I looked at the scriptures a good case can be made that there is a "righteous" hatred and an "unrighteous" hatred like Knight has been talking about. Even after I realized that my problem was how to practically live that out. I haven't necessarily found any amazing answer except it's different in each situation. I don't think you should approach anyone with hate imediately; if they are showing repentance and an open heart/mind than hate would probably drive them away. If they are stubborn and completely hard-hearted than some righteous hatred might be necessary, some stronger rebukes, potentially "shaking the dust" off, whatever that might mean.Mr. 5020 said:
This righteous hatred is new to me also.
God_Is_Truth
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CRASH said:
murder is by nature evil. any perversion of something God created/declared is evil.
to inform us that we should not do it.
i don't believe he hates people, but hates their deeds. he may hate things about them, but not the person themselves. if God hated individuals, i might question his goodness unless he explained to me some way where you could hate while loving them. but i don't understand how that could be.