ARCHIVE: I believe religion to be obsolete
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What? Do you want anymore than what I gave you? I have more.
Peter wrote that it was Messianic prophecies, and applied it to Christ.
Rolf Ernst
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Unbelievers and atheists pontificating on Scripture--in a blind and profane world, that is possible to find. As a matter of fact, in a blind and profane world they even arrogantly believe that they are the beginning and end of all wisdom.
In a sane world, however, the only time granted to such people people is the time necessary to declare to them the gospel. That is the only sign they are to get. If God is pleased to show mercy to them, they will be granted faith. If not, no other hope will be found.
In a sane world, however, the only time granted to such people people is the time necessary to declare to them the gospel. That is the only sign they are to get. If God is pleased to show mercy to them, they will be granted faith. If not, no other hope will be found.
Which one are you talking about? Isaiah 53 or something else?
It's a little odd that Peter had to misquote the stumbling block passage and appeal to Isaiah 53...if the gospel stories, as they'd come to be known later, were already (allegedly) in circulation. Why not appeal to specific events in the life of Christ?
Mustard Seed
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27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
James 1:27
...'course Luther didn't care much for the book of James.
James 1:27
...'course Luther didn't care much for the book of James.
Misquote? He never misquoted it. It says the same thing, verbatim. Peter was showing that Jesus was rejected by the builders of the faith [Orthodox Jews], and yet became the cornerstone of a relationship with God.
What makes you say the verse isn't a Messianic prophecy?
Brandon: here's what'll be useful...reading what the passage actually SAYS, as opposed to the way Paul and Peter creatively chopped it.
Isaiah 28:16--"Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste."
Isaiah 28 describes the coming judgment on the people of Ephraim. No messiah, no future savior for the people. The passage does not even mention anyone SPECIFICALLY. You'll notice it doesn't say "who believes on HIM." It just says...well, what it says. A one-verse cherrypick like this is an exegetical outrage, frankly. How Paul mangles the verse makes it even worse.
Isaiah 8:14 says, "And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem." And what does the verse right before this say? "Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread." In other words, this rock is Jehovah, not some future God incarnate.
What does Paul say? Good Pharisee he was, he mixed up a couple of verses, grafted them together, and added in some of his own lines: "It is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumbling block stone and a rock of offence: and whosever believeth on him shall not be ashamed" (Romans 9:33). Peter does pretty much the same thing (1 Peter 2:6) and copied Paul's misrepresentation.
These two verses are unrelated and do not, as is clear by reading the whole chapter--as opposed to picking out a verse here or there--refer to any coming human savior. To make matters worse, Paul and Peter blended two completely different passages and spun them as prophecies of Jesus. Intellectual dishonesty here I come.
Rolf Ernst
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Granite--you don't think people who have no respect for the Bible while at the same time they presume to instruct others in it is somewhat schizoid?
That is similar to those people who on one day deny that Jesus ever existed, then they read th "Da Vinci code" and suddenly they not only know he existed, they know that he had a wife and at least one child.
Real rational folks, hmmm?
You refer to "religionists." Don't you realize that atheists are the most fanatically religious people on earth? Foe example, you don't find me on the forums of atheists hounding them. As a matter of fact, one forum stipulated "atheists only." I wondered why they would think anyone else would be interested in their fanatical religion anyway.
That is similar to those people who on one day deny that Jesus ever existed, then they read th "Da Vinci code" and suddenly they not only know he existed, they know that he had a wife and at least one child.
Real rational folks, hmmm?
You refer to "religionists." Don't you realize that atheists are the most fanatically religious people on earth? Foe example, you don't find me on the forums of atheists hounding them. As a matter of fact, one forum stipulated "atheists only." I wondered why they would think anyone else would be interested in their fanatical religion anyway.
Atheism is not, I repeat, a religion!!!!
I post to an atheist site, secularity.com and Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans as well as Atheists and Agnostics post to it.
With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."
?EBailey Smith, Christian Coalition
What a charming religion christianity is!!!
?EBailey Smith, Christian Coalition
What a charming religion christianity is!!!
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We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
— Ann Coulter, conservative author
"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."
— Jerry Falwell
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good - Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty. We are called by God to conquer this country."
— Randall Terry
What charming people christians are!!!
— Ann Coulter, conservative author
"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."
— Jerry Falwell
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good - Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty. We are called by God to conquer this country."
— Randall Terry
What charming people christians are!!!
Jackie-
You do realize that not all Christians agree with those few, don't you? For instance, I think Falwell is a tool. And Coulter obviously circled on herself, in that quote. And Randall doesn't seem to understand that intolerance is bred by love, not hate.
You do realize that not all Christians agree with those few, don't you? For instance, I think Falwell is a tool. And Coulter obviously circled on herself, in that quote. And Randall doesn't seem to understand that intolerance is bred by love, not hate.