Rolf,
Lighthouse--you were going to present a text which disproved Reformed doctrine, but when I asked you a question about the verse which you yourself selected, you did not answer my querstion.
Nice. Two Christians going at with each other. Beautiful example boys of the lack of unity within your exclusive, archaic club. You can’t even agree on how you come to salvation. If you can’t agree on how to come to salvation, how are any of you supposed to know if anyone is actually really saved?
My contention: There is no such thing as salvation, it’s all in your heads.
Now, when placed in comparison to the absolutely insane mythology associated with Christianity, what makes more sense? Does it make more sense that all of your superstitions and out of this world fairy tales are actually true? Or does it make more sense that your imaginations are just playing tricks on you and you’re all fools?
Hmmmm.
We believe in freedom and liberty
And enslavement to a dead guy.
Lighthouse,
The reason I don't like organized religion is because I can't find Biblical support for so many doctrines.
I’m sorry, you know better than theologians who have been sculpting their doctrines for hundreds of years? I think you think too much of yourself at times, LH.
Just because I don't beleive God has exhaustive foreknowledge of the future doesn't mean that I believe He doesn't know any of what the future holds, or even might hold.
In light of what the bible says about your god’s completel foreknowledge and pre-ordaination of the events of the universe, I would venture a guess to say that you have no idea what you’re talking about, and, you’re just making your doctrine up as you go along.
I don’t care about your doctrine, LH. Frankly, I don’t even care about the gory details of your faith. What your book says is meaningless to me because it’s validity is in doubt from the get go. You can’t defend your book’s veracity. Rolf can barely do it. Clete couldn’t do it, and Hilston got sick of me.
Paul met Christ. Paul knows. End of story.
Paul had a vision of Christ and recounted his vision in 1 Cor. 15 side by side with the “appearances” of the risen jesus to the 500 and various others. Paul’s vision of Christ was no different than the “appearances” he made to everyone else. It wasn’t a physical resurrection. When they killed jesus, that was the end of the story. He died, and is still dead.
The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read. That’s what it’s called.
I like your cowardly attempt at not answering my points. Calling me a tool is how you answer my points. How charmingly yellow-bellied.
I know Christ, for a fact.
You're a sad, pathetic excuse for an intellectual.
You see, LH, this isn’t an answer. This is what a cowardly child says. How old are you? Why don’t you know how to talk to people like a civilized human being with manners and decency? Why do you not have class?
I thought you said they were full of contradictions.
I told you to read Matthew and Luke in comparison to Mark to see just how much Matthew and Luke copped from the original gospel. Up to 80 percent. Now, read the resurrection accounts, there’s where you’ll see the inconsistencies, because of my contention.
My contention is this: Jesus died on the cross, was dead, was buried and stayed there. That’s why all these post-crucifixion “appearance” stories are so varied. The authors of the gospels were just making them up. Get it? That’s why there are contradictions in the post-death story of Christ. They had nothing factual to base it on, they had to make it up, hence the inconsistencies.
There is no instance. I never said there was, moron.
Than you need to be a little more clear about what you’re saying when you post. Please don’t call me a moron.
And thanks for making my point.
So you admit that there is no Paul reference to the testimony of Peter? Wonderful.
You've bought into a lie because you couldn't reconcile the ideologies of Calvinism, and decided to reject all of Christianity instead of looking inot God, on your own. You're a fool.
That might be true, but that still isn’t an answer to the point I made. I made, what I believe to be a very good point, but instead of fearlessly defending it with what your favorite theologian says about the bible, or with scripture that would silence me, you fall back onto immature name calling.
You’re a loser LH, a loser. Every word you write testifies to how big of a loser you are. I post valid, food-for-thought ideas and all you can do is reply to them with insults?
You’re a waste of my time.
What makes me superstitious? If you don't like talking to me, then don't talk to me.
I’m not going to, loser. You’re a fat, pathetic, powerless waste of flesh working behind the counter of a crappy ice cream restaurant. I’m young, sleek, good looking and have a great job. Your Christianity has done nothing for you but make you into an even more miserable person than you were without it.
This isn't the real world numbnuts.
quote:I on the other hand:I’m not over weight
I see you conveniently left out the rest of my self-description list. Did I make LH jealous? Does he hate his life?
I have the only Life worth having.
I wouldn’t trade lives with you for a million dollars, or with a gun in my mouth. I would rather be dead or poor for the rest of my life than have your life, or whatever it is that deludes you into thinking you have something worth being jealous of.
You’re fat, pathetic loser with no clue.
Actually, forget it. You're not worth the time I spend on you.
LH, my time is worth thousands and thousands of dollars. That’s what people pay me, thousands and thousands of dollars, just for what I know, the expertise I bring to the table, and just helping them.
Your time is worthless.
Christians and dairy queens like yourself come a dime a dozen, there’s only one Prodigal.
Badp,
I have to say, your claimed status as a wealthy man of the world puts us Christians to shame
Never made that claim. I claimed to be on my way. I’m just starting, but when I get going, you can’t stop me.
Let's forget about our own loving relationships and become selfish, slothful jerks who live for material gain and care about no one else. Sounds like the dream life to me!
Yeah me too!
No, seriously, what’s good for me isn’t good for everyone. LH is just a loser.
Seriously, prodigal, I'm not really sure how your Chrysler is relevant to this discussion.
It’s relevant because it shows I have more power than his god. That’s all. That and I don’t have a Chrysler 300c yet, I will, but not yet. I always speak of my goals as if I have already accomplished them.
It’s good for the old attitude.
God-haters such as yourself
Don’t hate god, I dislike Christians like LH.
Can you really hold your ground in a debate on this issue? The answer isn't just no, it's NO. The truth is, you are not really all that happy with your life, because if you were, you wouldn't be spending so much time here trying to further placate your uneasy mind.
This thread is over seven hundred posts deep. I’ve exhibited nothing but the ability to take it, but maybe you wouldn’t know, I understand, it would be tiring to actually go back and read all of this crap. LH is the one dragging this thread through the mud, what with his brazen use of the words, “idiot”, “moron”, “tool” and his utterly nauseating “buy a mirror” catch phrase.
Defend him if you’d like, but turning my own argument around on me just isn’t going to work. You’re a Christian, you’re superstitious by nature, you think you have mind powers. You don’t, you’re just as weak as the next human.
Quit trying to find power in the bigoted words of an ancient book and go out into the world and make things happen for you and yours.
Rolf,
Granite is nailing your butt to the wall right now. You need to read some objective literature on the history of your religion. There are massive precedents for christians taking miles when offered inches, for killing in the name of christ, for committing atrocities and thrusting their will on others.
The results?
Nothing. Out of all the atrocities they have committed, after all the force they have exerted, they have nothing to show for themselves.
We need to make something happen, we need to make sure that christians never get political power again. They're dangerous enough without it, if they ever get political clout in this country they'll send us in one hell of a bad tail spin towards devastation.
Agreed, let's just be cool. What's Fonzy? He's cool.