God is no more responsible for creating evil than a axe maker is responsible for a man using an axe to murder someone with it.
I suggest you reconsider your "logic".
ARCHIVE: God's mass-murder in the flood
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I suggest you reconsider your "logic".
That is where the anaolgy breaks down.
By definition freewill is not coerced.... therefore for God to give freewill to man He must not coerce man. Otherwise He hasn't really given man freewill has He?
1. God can do anything.
2. God created the universe and the environment in which his creations operate.
3. The environment which he created includes a concept called "free-will".
4."Freewill" allows people to do evil.
5. God chose not to have an alternative in which evil is not possible in his environment.
6. Through God's passive or active actions He allows evil to occur.
Therefore God is evil.
Although I can not think of an environment in which freewill and evil can co-exist, I think it is reasonable that God could install one.
2. God created the universe and the environment in which his creations operate.
3. The environment which he created includes a concept called "free-will".
4."Freewill" allows people to do evil.
5. God chose not to have an alternative in which evil is not possible in his environment.
6. Through God's passive or active actions He allows evil to occur.
Therefore God is evil.
Although I can not think of an environment in which freewill and evil can co-exist, I think it is reasonable that God could install one.
If freewill does not allow for one to choose anything but what is predefined then freewill does not exist.
Your point fails.
Want to try another?
That might be the dumbest statement ever typed on TOL.Originally posted by smothers
Yes I am pro-choice, I want mothers and doctors to choose not to murder their children!
You my friend.... are a moron.
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If freewill does not allow for one to choose anything but what is predefined then freewill does not exist.
Your point fails.
Want to try another?
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Could not an omnipotent God create a situation in which freewill and evil could co-exist? If he could but chose not to, doesn't that make him complicit in evil?
If freewill does not allow for one to choose anything but what is predefined then freewill does not exist.
Your point fails.
Want to try another?
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Could not an omnipotent God create a situation in which freewill and evil could co-exist? If he could but chose not to, doesn't that make him complicit in evil?
God is not a fairy.
He cannot make evil good nor good evil. He cannot create a four sided triangle or create a rock so big He cannot lift it. God is not illogical. He is real and rational.
Freewill and non-freewill are mutually exclusive.
That was an attempt at humor? Uhhh yea... right.
Since you are pretending to believe in the God of the Bible long enough to accuse him of evil. My responses will also pretend that you belive in God as well. Fair enough. God brought life into existence from non life and gave each person a spirit. You and your wife brought life into existence from life and God gave it a spirit. When a man is killed his spirit still exsists in heaven or hell. So if God decides to send beings to their final state of life since he created them it is his prerogative.
Freewill and evil DO co-exist.
Do you mean....
God set the stage, why could he not make a universe in which free-will and the inability to do evil co-exist?
If so....
The answer is simple.
Freewill and non-freewill are mutually exclusive.
If you don't know what "mutually exclusive" means please do some research and find out for yourself.
servent101
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smothers
This place called earth is that - where free will and evil co-exist. Evil is a learning process, and it makes us understand the consequences to our actions, both long term and short term.
Possibly if you considered the possibility of reincarnation - you might accept the way things are. If you throw out the orthodox ideas of hell, and realize that we are in hell right now, to varying degrees, that the conclusion that God is really not all that bad of a Dude may be palatable to you.
With Christ's Love
Servent101
This place called earth is that - where free will and evil co-exist. Evil is a learning process, and it makes us understand the consequences to our actions, both long term and short term.
Possibly if you considered the possibility of reincarnation - you might accept the way things are. If you throw out the orthodox ideas of hell, and realize that we are in hell right now, to varying degrees, that the conclusion that God is really not all that bad of a Dude may be palatable to you.
With Christ's Love
Servent101
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The answer is simple.
Freewill and non-freewill are mutually exclusive.
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Knight, please think outside of the box. Why couldn't an omnipotent God create a universe in which freewill would exist without the possibility of His creation using it to do evil? If God isn't as omnipotent as some claim, then creating freewill allows for the possibility of people doing evil things. God is therefore responsible for evil.
Freewill and non-freewill are mutually exclusive.
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Knight, please think outside of the box. Why couldn't an omnipotent God create a universe in which freewill would exist without the possibility of His creation using it to do evil? If God isn't as omnipotent as some claim, then creating freewill allows for the possibility of people doing evil things. God is therefore responsible for evil.