Originally posted by 1013
what about that child? what if such a child was reading your post and he gets the impression that he is less worthy of love? So what if it took more grace for a mother to love such a child. He is still made in the image of God and carries all the dignity and worth that comes from that and has as much of a right to live and be happy and know that he is loved and cherished.
Yes, what about that child.. living in the womb, feeling hate and anger from the mother at having to bare them.. does it happen? Yes..
Who said they where unworthy of love? Putting words into my mouth doesn't change what I have said about how some of these people feel, and that THEY MAKE A MISTAKE AND MAYBE DECIDE TO ABORT (caps for large emphasis and not shouting).
Yes that child carries all that you say, and so when (just like a 5 year old innocent who gets hit by a drunk driver) this happens, God still takes care of them.. the price the person who commits the sin will be levied when they are judged by God, not by you and me.
Now, have I ever said that it was right? Did I say that I personally feel that pregnant women can go around taking the lives of their unborn for no more reason that 'they don't want them'? Please..
Of course these children deserve to be loved and cherished.. so.. how many rape victim children have you adopted lately? Or do you think that it is a Godly and healthy environment for them to stay with a parent or parents who
does not love them, and did not want to carry them to term in the first place?
Too many people are ready to mouth off about other peoples mistakes to the point of condemnation and final judgement, but aren't prepared to step up to the plate and help. You believe you are completely and morally in the right, then instead of just talking the talk, go and adopt a few of these children yourself, and provide them the love and caring that their parents aren't giving them now.. I can supply you with at least 100 places where there are an over abundance of children waiting to be adopted by those that can't wait to condemn others... I'm sorry, people who "Love their neighbor.."
Plus, if you happen to see an unborn aborted child reading my posts, please alert me so I can apologise profusely to them for the act their mother and doctor committed upon them, and tell them that I will pray, as I do every night, for theirs and other childrens souls.
I happen to know what it is like to see innocent children die, before and after birth.. I nearly lost my oldest Son to his disease of Cystic Fibrosis, and sat in Hospital with him for the first 6 weeks of his life.. and in that childrens ward where a few babies of parents who did not want or plan them, but where convinced to carry full term. Still, other innocent children died due to illness or disease.. who takes the blame for them?
I was glad to see that some had come around and fallen in Love (the spirit of God) with their child and forgiven the circumstances.. but there where others that looked at those children with a palable feeling of pain and distress, and even hate. And that child will live with that feeling that it carried inside while in the womb, and if they are forced to stay with the parents, will grow up holding that hate.. yes, some get turned around, but if you think that the majority of these children have a happy ending, you are very sadly mistaken.
SO these children go for adoption.. where more people who really don't love them, try and look after them, and a load of other 'unwanted' children... who end up as more teenage pregnancies etc.
So yes, it is the parents and doctors faults that abortions take place when there is no 'valid' reason, and as I have stated, they will face their judgment with God. Gods only commands to us are to treat everyone with Love.. to treat people as WE wish to be treated.. with Love.. yes, some of these people may not deserve it in your eyes, but then, who is 'deserving' of Gods love and Grace? He gives it freely to all, just as Christ commanded us to.
Instead of condemning these people who have made such dire mistakes in their lives, would it not be better to treat them with love and the fruits of the Spirit, in the hope that they will come around? Is it it better to prejudge them and cast them into an un-loving hell before God has his final judgement?
No one is disputing the childs the innocent victim.. the only thing I'm disputing is how we then treat those that committed the crime, the reason for the crime, and the best solutions we can find for it. Plus the fact that none of us are perfect, and the thing we are discussing is a very personal thing for the person carrying. That's why I feel each case needs to be looked at individually, and if the parents decision is wrong, then someone has to step up to the plate to take care of that child.. not just throw them in some institution.. if the mothers life is in peril, we have no right to tell her to give her life up.. that MUST be her decision, just as it is her decision to come to, or go away from God. If you take the decision upon yourself, you carry the burden of the consequences, good or bad.
But I tire of this, arguing over whether or not the child deserves love, or whether or not it's right or wrong.. of course it isn't the best, or even the right thing to do, and obviously the children deserve love... I certainly hope no one is trying to say I think differently.. it has NOT been the reason for my opinion.
In Love and Peace
JCAtheist
PS - I can get passionate too.. a human weakness I'm told.. carnal
And 1013, I did read the first page.. I said if the children that where
born where obviously born in love, and in response to where she posted she has 4 children and posed a quesiton... I did not comment on the fate of the two in her first post. In fact, I was trying to avoid it, and avoid any personal 'positions'.
And, in case everyone is missing it, I am also saying that DeeDee deserved to get as much love and aid in her decisions as anyone could have given her.. giving up a child cannot be an easy thing to do. I sincerely hope she had some loving compassionate Christians around her that where able to give her love, and help her understand - without condemnation - her mistake.
Love and Peace
