Archbishop of Canterbury "not embarrassed" over new father

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Indeed correct. That is exactly and literally what the following verses say:

Romans: 7 King James Version (KJV)
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God (children of God).
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (children of the flesh).
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


One has to be married to Christ in order to bring forth righteous fruit.

Not remarried to a believer.

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Gurucam

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1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Here is a quote of those verses:

1 Corinthians: 7 KJV N.T.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Here 'believer' means one who believes in the Lord Jesus.

You probably foolishly believe that because you believe in, esteem and promote the law of sin and death (i.e. Moses' law) you are a believer. You are mistaken. Your are the unbeliever. You are the one being cast out. You are the unbeliever who departs.

The following revelation in the KJV N.T. confirms, very clearly, that a believer does not believe in, esteem and promote the law of sin and death. A believer is justified by God to deny and transgress the law of sin and death and not get sin but instead be glorified by God:

The Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


In the above revelation a man (or woman) who does not believe in, esteem and promote the law of sin and death is told to (any which way) annul his marriage with a woman (or man) who believes in, esteems and promote the law of sin and death. They are under different covenants. They are also different people.

The spouse who believes in, esteems and promotes the law of sin and death is a child of the flesh (an unbeliever). The other spouse (who does not believe in, esteem and promote the law of sin and death) is a child of God (a believer). They cannot live together. They are 'chalk and cheese'.

It is very likely that the wife or husband who believe in, esteem and promote the law of sin and death will invoking the law of sin and death to keep the other one trapped in a loveless/spiritless marriage.

This is an unforgivable sin. This is denial and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. This marriage is a sin and must be dissolved . . . leaving each person to move onto new unions with new spouses, under the covenant of their choice.

The law of sin and death has nothing to do with one who believes in the Lord Jesus. The law of sin and death has nothing to do with a Christian. It has nothing to do with being a new person in Christ. The law of sin and death has every thing to do with being an Old person who cannot be saved and delivered.

Those who esteem the law of sin and death, in the slightest way, are under all the laws and all who are under the law of sin and death fall short of the glory of God. In every way the law of sin and death, killeth and dispatches one to hell inside the earth, with Satan.

You have been misled by false prophets. You are in a very sad, unfortunate and 'not chosen' circumstance . . . just like the other billion or so in traditional Christianity.

You are probably among those who use the law of sin and death to keep your spouse trapped in a loveless, spiritless marriage with you. A marriage in which you have loveless, spiritless procreative sex and therefore bring forth only children of the flesh who must be cast out.

You are aware that the peoples of this world will be separated into children of the flesh and children of God. And children of the flesh will be totally cast out into hell inside the earth, with Satan. On the other hand, only children of God will inherit the surface of earth in God's kingdom of heaven which is currently forming here.

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The ten commandments is called the law of sin and death because it killeth, 100%. Why would any sane (or even a simple kindergarten graduate) person want to embrace, esteem and promote the law of sin and death? . . . especially when every one was told, 2000 odd years ago that:

Romans 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now (since 2000 odd years ago) the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;


Why do you think 'the righteousness of God without the law is manifested'? . . . because the righteousness of God with the law is the law of sin and death and it always killeth.

On the other hand, 'righteousness of God that is without the law is the New covenant. This is under the Spirit which giveth life, at all events and every time.

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


. . . again there is confirmation of two covenants. Do you know that there are two different covenants? One Old and flawed and one New and good?

Seems that a billion strong traditional Christians are still embracing, esteeming and promoting the Old flawed covenant which is not even Christian. Clearly they are all misled by false spying brethren and/or they are all foolish:

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law of sin and death).


Note the boastful, self-righteous and Anti-Christian folly of Genuineoriginal:

I have said the Bible states that fornication and adultery are sins, no matter who does it.
Fornication and adultery are not sins when those who believe in the Lord Jesus and are led by His Spirit, does those things. This is the Christian position.

Genuineoriginal's position is the Satanic and Antichrist position. The devil's avocation or full time profession.

Be guided accordingly.


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Gurucam

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continued from the previous post:

With respect to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, he and his mother, cannot have the justification offered under the above spirit and Spirit based covenant.

It is not likely that his mother was led into her fornication, adultery and extra marital sex by the Spirit of the Lord Jesus. Therefore this makes her act sinful and bad and her fruit evil.

The above can be concluded because her fruit, i.e. her son, is not under the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. Her son, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is clearly still under the law of sin and death. Indeed, under his leadership the followers in his church are under the law of sin and death. They are all traditional Christians. They all esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death.

A fruit and its mother would be the same. Like son, like mother. Like mother, like son:

Matthews: 7 KJV N.T.
17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.


Both Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother must be the very fabric of the law of sin and death . . . simply because Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby currently esteems, uses and promotes spiritual death in his church . . . by esteeming, using and promoting the law of sin and death.

Therefore both Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother will be judged under the law of sin and death, under which all is lost. Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is not at all Christian.

Also, under the law of sin and death everyone, including Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby are children of the flesh who must and will, be cast out. He is heading out, like it or not . . . and so be it.

These are the final day. People can run but they cannot hide. They can seek to deceive, however they will be exposed. They can pretend to be Christians however they will be exposed. Those who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death will be judged under the law of sin and death, under which all is lost.

This is God's promise under His Grace . . . expect it to continue exponentially.

Fact is false prophets are the leadership within the core of the billion strong traditional Christianity . . . expect traditional Christianity to be exorcised of their biggest and other leaders.

For the past 2000 odd years, they (i.e. false 'law esteeming' prophets) have been destroying Christianity from within traditional Christianity. They were and continued to be the false spying brethren who were mentioned in:

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law of sin and death).


The Lord said:

Romans: 12 KJV N.T.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Deuteronomy: 32 KJV
35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

The days of their calamity is at hand. The foot of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his likes are slipping, everywhere. Their falseness is being exposed with increasing clarity, for all to know. The day of vengeance of the Lord Jesus is very close at hand.

This was not a simple fight:

Ephesians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


What indeed is spiritual wickedness in high place if this is not: Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his likes denying and undermining the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death, so as to: esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death in their big and powerful churches?

Clearly this is spiritual wickedness in high places. And it is being perpetrated by principalities, powers and the rulers of the darkness of this world.

Soon the King will be separating sheep from goat in a much more visible and profound manner. Then the King will dispatch sheep and goats according to his vengeance.

Those who deny and blind themselves from truth, will find that the passage to hell within the depths of earth, with Satan, is simply theirs.
 
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Gurucam

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One must not be careless about truth.

It is not about winning arguments. It is not about propping-up the false doctrines of one's ancestors and church. Your churches are filled with false prophets who are misleading many. This is the only way that many false prophets can misled many. This is also the only way through which many are called to Christianity and only a few are chosen.

It is not about sprouting or parroting doctrines of your church and your ancestors.

It is about knowing truth, not erring and being chosen.

It is about knowing scriptures and the power of God, so that you do not err.

Matthews: 22 KJV N.T.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.


To be 'not chosen' means that one ends in hell, inside the earth with Satan. Do you want to spend 60 to 80 years on earth (with a big mouth talking and defending pure foolishness) and an eternity in hell inside the earth, with Satan? This is what it means to be 'not chosen'. Or would you prefer to be the meek who inherit the surface of earth, in God's kingdom of heaven? What is you choice?

Matthew: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


The Lord Jesus predicted that the very great majority of the billion or so who are called to Christianity will end-up in hell inside the earth with Satan. Therefore, have no doubt, the billion or so who are called to Christianity are at serious risk.

Therefore knowing truth (scriptures), so that you do not err and are chosen is absolutely important. Fact is you guys are in a very sad state.

All your presentations and arguments are absolute foolishness and anti-Christian. At best they are directly related to the Old flawed covenant. They are not at all related to the New covenant. Your risk is very great and grave:

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


Make no mistake. There are two covenants. The Old flawed covenant remained untouched for foolish 'pig headed' 'waxed-gross heart-ed' people. And a new covenant was introduced for 'spiritually aware' wise people. The Old covenant is for 'the dead to bury their dead'. The New covenant is for 'those who follow the Lord Jesus'.

Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


The KJV N.T. confirms:

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Any which way you 'cut' it, from the billion or so traditional Christians, only a few will make it. The time to get very serious is now. You cannot afford to be sounding or parroting like the masses. If you do, you are guaranteed to be the misled many. If you sound or parrot, like the many, you are guaranteed to be among those who do not know scriptures and the power of God. You will therefore err and not be chosen.

Foolish self-righteous 'common place' arguments are curses onto thee. Your current arguments and ideas seem to come from principalities and powerful people, in high places.

Be warned. There will be and is wickedness in high places, among principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world. They are the false prophets and false spying brethren, within traditional Christianity. There can be no question about this fact:

Ephesians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Do not be caught. Do not be a foolish sitting duck. The Lord Jesus left you correct information and guidelines. Go directly and literally to the KJV N.T.

There will be principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world who will deny and undermine the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (which makes one free from the law of sin and death). The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is literally light and life.

These principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world will do this so as to esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death is literally darkness and death. Their aim is to keep you in darkness. Their aim is to 'any which way' keep you in bondage and servitude to them. Principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world are also and especially the leaders and rulers of traditional Christian churches.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


The above revelation defines two different covenants.

One is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. This is life and delivery into God's kingdom of heaven.

The other is the law of sin and death. This is death and delivery to hell inside the earth with Satan . . . i.e. when you die. However while you live you will be kept in bondage and servitude to the church and the leaders who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. There is no liberation under this system, either before death or after death. It is totally about spiritual death and hell.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God


Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith (only) to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.


The above revelations confirm that 'sin' applies (and comes) only to those who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death and no one else. And they will all fall short of the glory of God.

The few chosen Christians are under the other covenant. The law of sin and death does not apply to them. They are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which make one free from the law of sin and death.

You unfortunate guys, who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death, are clearly under the law of sin and death, all by your lonesome selves. You cannot draw unwilling others into bondage under the law of sin and death, with you. How does it feel, to stand all alone, with your sad and unfortunate choice?

Most likely you were very comfortable when you erroneously believed that everyone is under the law of sin and death. This is the nature of the spiritually dead. They feel good only when they believe that everyone is jeopardized like them. They are not comfortable holding their beliefs among only themselves. Fact is those who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death, are literally on their own, all by their seriously jeopardized lonesome selves.

Now that it is clear the those who are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus are free from the law of sin and death, how does it feel. How does it feel to stand alone with your foolish (law of sin and death) choice? Pretty bad?

Indeed, there are two different covenants. One that is with the law and another one that is without the law.

Those false prophets who are also false spying brethren, who wanted to keep you under the law of sin and death, have fooled, deceived and misled you into believing that there is the only one covenant which is the law of sin and death.

Fact is there is another totally different covenant that is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

You obviously did not know about this other, totally liberating covenant.

You have been duped, deceived, fooled and destroyed by false prophets and false spying brethren from within the very inner sanctum and core of traditional Christianity. This is the modes-operand of these false prophets who are also false spying brethren:

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage
(i.e. under the law of sin and death).

Which covenant do you belong under? Which covenant do you choose? Which covenant are you loyal too? Indeed one killeth the other giveth life, eternal. Which do you esteem, use and promote?

. . . oh foolish ones. Will you walk through the fullness of time totally 'dead' and eventually simply fall off the surface of earth and into hell within the depths of earth, with Satan?

Will you continue to blindly and corruptly prop-up false and corrupt traditional Christianity right into the black portal to hell, inside the depths of earth with Satan? 'Will you do this foolish thing'?

These are the stakes. They are absolutely high.
 
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Gurucam

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Christians are New people in Christ. Christians do not go to war and fight. They do not go to court. Christians are not under the Old covenant. Christians are under the New Covenant:

Matthew: 5: King James Version (KJV)
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

John: 8 King James Version (KJV)
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.


Christians are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. This is the New Covenant:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


Christians are not under the old covenant. The old covenant is the law of sin and death. The old covenant is flawed.

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


People under the Old flawed covenant are different. They are not Christians. They are Old testament people. They stone their people to death. They also go to court and go to war.

Muslims are O.T. people. They are always fighting among them selves. They do not know about or practice peace. Jews are no more than O.T. people as well. They are fighting among other O.T. people.

However Jews are worse among O.T. people. Jews have come among Christians and corrupt them. Jews came among unsuspecting Christians and misled them. Jews are the false brethren who came as spies among unsuspecting Christians and return them to bondage under the law of sin and death.

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage
(i.e. under the law of sin and death).

This happened mainly in the U.S.A.

Under the founding fathers, the U.S.A. started out quite well, as a pure Christian land. The Jews, who seemed to have wanted an unfair advantage over their O.T. counterparts who they were fighting, infiltrated the U.S.A. They infiltrated the essential Christian people and Christian foundation, of the U.S.A.

Then these Jews successfully but corruptly sold 'the law of sin and death' as a 'Christian thing' to the essential Christian people and the ruling foundation of the U.S.A. Since then, millions of traditional Christians of the U.S.A. very erroneously and totally terminally believe, that the law of sin and death is a part of Christianity.

Note that:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


And since the Jewish corrupt intervention, the U.S.A. has been fighting the essentially O.T. war on behalf of Jews who are O.T. people. The supposed Christian people bought into the false and corrupt idea of the Jews who promoted that they are God's favored people. They are not God's promised people, although they were promised 'a land', by God. Every one is God's people and all will and do go to their respective promised land . . . according to the covenant which they embrace, esteem, use and/or promote.

Proverbs: 23 King James Version (KJV)
7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

If one chooses the law of sin an death as their covenant, they are the dead who bury their dead. When they die they are dispatched to and buried in, the depths of earth, which is hell with Satan. This is the promise land of those who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death, while they live.

On the other hand, if one follow Jesus, when one dies, one will rise to heaven (in three days) to be with the Lord Jesus. They will also eventually inherit the surface of earth, when God's kingdom of heaven fully descends here in the fullness of time. This is the promise land for those who have embraced the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


Every revelation in the KJV N.T. relates to one of the two covenants. In the above 'follow me' relates to the New covenant. 'Let the dead bury their dead' relates to the Old flawed covenant.

Fact is every one has a promised land. Know that the promised land for some is hell inside the earth with Satan. And for others the promised land is God's kingdom of heaven on the surface of earth. And yet, for other it is God's kingdom of heaven in the spirit realm. Rest assured that everyone has a promised land which they inevitably reach.

Therefore, like everyone else, the Jews are promised a land, by God. However this promised land of the Jews is not on the surface of this earth. The Jews are O.T. people and therefore children of the flesh. The surface of earth is not promised to them.

The surface of earth is promised to children of God. They are New Testament people.

According to the KJV N.T., Old testament people are children of the flesh. Also, according to the KJV N.T. they will not inherit the surface of earth, together with children of God, in the fullness of time. According to the KJV N.T., They will be teleported out of here to their promised land.

Only the chosen few are New people in Christ. Only they are children of God. Only the chosen few are children of God. Only children of God will inherit the surface of earth in God's kingdom of heaven. Children of flesh will be teleported, out of the surface of earth, to another destination (inside the depths of earth) which is their promised land.

Christians must totally distance themselves from Jews.

Simply note that the Jews went through a holocaust. Throughout this holocaust, God simply looked the other way. Note also that the Jews aided, supported and encourage the crucifixion of the the physical lord Jesus, their own messiah. Note also, that up to this day, the Jews deny, persecute and undermine the fullness of the Lord Jesus.

Please open your 'spirit eyes', 'spirit ears' and hearts/spirits so that you will be given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heave. If you fail to do so, you will accompany these Jews to their actual promised land.

It must be reiterated that: according to the KJV N.T., their promise land is not God's kingdom of heaven, on the surface of earth. According to the KJV N.T., their promised land is hell, inside the depths of earth, with Satan. There is an ongoing separation:

Matthew: 25 King James Version (KJV)
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


This is truth, in the fullness of time. Please accept it in this manner. It is far more kind, compassionate and palatable than what will happen on your judgment day.

Luke: 13 King James Version (KJV)
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Go directly to and use, only the KJV N.T.

Totally drop your reliance on churches, popes, priests pastors.
 
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Gurucam

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The second coming of Jesus.

The second coming of Jesus.

John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


There were two presentations of Jesus. He came to earth first as the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus. Then immediately after his crucifixion (some 2000 odd years ago) He returned as the Spirit, not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus.

Speaking about the Lord Jesus:

1 Corinthians; 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


The above confirms very clearly that there were two Jesuses.

The first Jesus was of earth. He was the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus . . . and this first Jesus was not the Lord.

The second Jesus is from heaven. He is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus . . . and this second Jesus is the Lord.

At all events Jesus is the truth. And no one comes onto God but through him:

John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Therefore, the 'Spirit of Truth' mentioned in John: 16 verse: 13 KJV N.T. above is the Spirit of Jesus (for He is the truth). This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus who is Lord and who is currently in heaven, clad only in his Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, body . . . absolutely no physical body:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

The above confirmed that Jesus rose. Also 1 Corinthians; 15 verse: 44 KJV N.T. above confirmed that Jesus rose in a spirit body.

Therefore Jesus is currently in heaven. And He is clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, body and 'seated' on the right side of the Holy Spirit. There He is ready willing and able to make intercession for those who are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and who have accepted their freedom from the law of sin and death.

However this is not the big Christian fact.

John: 16 verses: 7, 12 & 13 KJV N.T. above confirmed that the Spirit of truth (i.e. the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus), came among Christians so as to bring All truth only after the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus, went away by crucifixion and rising to heaven.

Therefore the first coming of Jesus was as the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus. He was crucified and rose to heaven. He was temporal and he went away.

Then the Spirit of truth came. This is the second coming. This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus.

Therefore Jesus has already returned a second time. He returned in His Spirit of truth body some 2000 years. He returned among the chosen few Christians (some 2000 years ago) to bring truth. And He has been here since then.

Indeed it was declared 2000 odd years ago that now the Lord is that Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus.

2 Corinthians: 3 7King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


Where the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus is present, there is liberty to transgress the law of sin and death, because:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


However these revelations confirmed that Jesus has long returned since some 2000 odd years ago. He is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus.

Fact is the promise was that Jesus would return in the same way that he rose to heaven. He rose to heaven clad only in a spirit body . . . no physical body.

Acts: i KJV N.T.
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


The following confirmed that Jesus rose to heaven clad only in a spirit body:

1 Corinthians; 15 KJV N.T.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


Therefore the promise was that Jesus would return clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, body. And he did so some 2000 odd years ago. That is, after he was crucified and rose to heaven.

Even after 2000 odd years, erring traditional Christians are still waiting for the return of the Jesus. And they waiting for him to return in a physical body . . . although the promise is that Jesus will return in the same manner as he rose to heaven and he actually rose to heaven clad only in His Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God body.

These sad and unfortunate traditional Christians are expecting Jesus to return in a physical body. They based their expectation on their own misinterpretation of the following:

Act: 1 KJV N.T.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.


This in no way confirmed that Jesus rose to heaven in a physical body. All it confirmed is that Jesus rose to a cloud beyond their sight in his Physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man body. This was simply another miracle of Jesus (like walking on water)so a to make a point to spiritually dead people.

Fact is Jesus rose to heaven clad only in His Spirit body because only his spirit body was from heaven. His physical body was from earth and it was left here.

1 Corinthians; 15 KJV N.T.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


 
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Gurucam

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Traditional Christians have another very serious problem.

Traditional Christians have another very serious problem.

Traditional Christians have another very serious problem. They are not worshiping the Lord Jesus. Jesus had two presentations. He was a man and He is the lord. Traditional Christians are hitched onto the man and not the Lord. These are the facts:

Speaking about the Lord Jesus:

1 Corinthians; 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


The above confirms that the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who walked on earth some 2000 odd years ago is from earth and he is not the Lord.

The above confirms that the Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus is from heaven and He is Lord.

God did not promise (to Abraham and his seed) a physical lord Jesus. God promised a Spirit. God promised a Spirit who will intercede between the individual spirit of humans and the Holy Spirit. God promised the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth who will intercede between each Christian human spirits and the Holy Spirit. These facts are further confirmed by:

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


The sad fact is that the billion strong traditional Christians have been worshiping the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus for the past 2000 years and according to 1 Corinthians: 15 verses: 35, 44 & 47 of the KJV N.T., he is not lord.

According to 1 Corinthians: 15 verses: 35, 44 & 47 and 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17 of the KJV N.T. The Lord is the Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus.

How sad and unfortunate is this?

False prophets and false spying brethren (presented themselves as priest, popes, archbishops, pastors etc. and) entered the very core of the churches and lives of the billion strong traditional Christians. Then they did and continue to do, real big, bad, corrupt and antichrist numbers on them.

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage
(i.e. under the law of sin and death).

Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

The above are the wickedness done to innocent unsuspecting aspiring Christians. The result is:

Matthews: 22 KJV N.T.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luke: 13 KJV N.T.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.


Did the billion strong traditional Christians foolishly expect that the fullness of time will arrive and bring confirmation that every thing is good and correct among them and many or all will be chosen . . . in total defiance of Jesus' many prophesies?

All my post are based totally and literally on KJV N.T. revelations. This will give you guys an opportunity to correct your corrupt ways before too late is the cry.


You all rush in to be brave, bold and confident presenters of (corrupt) Christian theology. You also seek to self-righteously, convert (in the name of Christianity) others according to your self made righteousness which are erroneous anti-christian ideas and ways. Millions are converted to false and corrupt Christianity by (dangerous) self-righteous traditional Christians. Fraud and corruption prosper everywhere in traditional Christianity.

The billion strong traditional Christians are 'the dead who are burying their dead'. They are not the chosen few who found the straight gate and narrow way that leadth onto life.

Matthews: 6 KJV N.T.
27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?


If your thought has no value then simply accept the KJV N.T. literally and seek to make total sense of it, as is. Do not read and reread the KJV N.T. simply to interpret and reinterpret it.

Fact is the KJV N.T. has no contradictions. It is perfect as is. If you want to have truth which saves and delivers, you have to discern the perfect (none contradicting) harmony in the KJV N.T. It is quite literally the best translation.

Also if one was dunce-y (low I.Q.-ed) in school one can hardly move on to get the messages, correctly, in the KJV N.T. and so be an authentic Christian. The sad fact is, there seems to be loads of truly dunce-y people as leaders in traditional Christianity. In fact, every Tom, Dick and Harry seem to be leaders in traditional Christianity. They are simply destroying themselves and Christianity.
 
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genuineoriginal

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Christians must totally distance themselves from Jews.
Jesus was a Jew, as were Paul and Peter and the rest of the writers of the New Testament.
Christ, the base of the word Christian, is a Jewish concept: Messiah.
Christians are followers of the Jewish Messiah, Jesus, the Son of God.
 

Gurucam

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Jesus was a Jew, as were Paul and Peter and the rest of the writers of the New Testament.
Christ, the base of the word Christian, is a Jewish concept: Messiah.
Christians are followers of the Jewish Messiah, Jesus, the Son of God.

Two different generations came forth from the original Jews. These two different generation started from Abraham's two sons, Ishmael and Issac.

One set, (i.e. Ishmael and his generation) remained Jews and children of the flesh who do not inherit God's kingdom of heaven. You will know them for they remained Old people and continued to esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. They have not embraced the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

The other set (i.e. Issac and his generation) ceased being Jews and became Christians. These are the chosen from among all Jews. These are the new people who are in Christ, i.e. they are no longer Jews they have become Christians.

Christians are children of God. You will know these (chosen Jews who are Christians) because they have thrown out the law of sin and death and embraced, use and promote the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

As far as the N.T. goes, only Paul became a new person in Christ. Only Paul achieved communion with and was led by, the Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus is Jesus clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God body. This is how to cease being a Jew or Gentile and become Christian.

As far as the N.T. goes, everyone else remained Old people. They remained either Jews or Gentiles. They did not become Christians. At best they had contact and communion with only the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who is not Lord.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death


From the above revelations:
1. If you are a Christian, you cease being a Jew or Greek.
2. If you are a Christian (and not a Jew or a Greek) you are an heir according to the promise related to the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.
3. Therefore Christians are totally different people from Jews and Greeks.
4. A Christian is a new and different person because he or she is 'in Christ, he or she has put on Christ and so he or she is no longer a Jew or a Greek. The Old has died to give way to the New.

Do not ever compare Christians to Jews and Gentile, that is sacrilege.

Christians are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death. They are not under the law of sin and death. Christians do not esteem, use or promote the law of sin and death. Christians esteem, use and promote the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death.

Jews are different. Jews are under the law of sin and death. They have not converted. They have not embraced or use or promote the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death.

Jews esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. Christians are different. Christians are new and different people. They are not Jews, although they may have previously been Jews. Christians are people who have totally relinquish their Jewish or Greek identity and heritage so as to become New people in Christ.

This means, among other things, they have dropped the law of sin and death and totally embrace, use and promote only the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death. Christians are under only the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death.

The 'promised land' of Jews (i.e. those who remained Old person under the law of sin and death) is hell inside the earth with Satan. Everyone who esteems, use and promote the law of sin and death end in this way.

On the other hand, those Jews who totally drop their past identity and past heritage and become New people in Christ are no longer Jews but Christians. Their promise land is the surface of earth which will be God's kingdom of heaven, in the fullness of time.

Romans: 9 King James Version (KJV)
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh (i.e. Ishmael and his generation), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise (i.e. Issac and his generation) are counted for the seed.


This confirms whose seed, bring forth a generation of children of the flesh and whose seed bring forth a generation of children of God. The generation of children of the flesh came from (the seed of) Ishmael. The generation of children of God came from (the seed of) Issac:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman (Ishmael) was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman (Issac) was by promise.


The generation of Ishmael are today's Jews. The generation of Issac are today's Christians. They are very different people, like chalk and cheese. The Jews are under the law of sin and death. Christians are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Romans: 9 KJV N.T.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

 
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Gurucam

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There are two covenants related to two Jerusalems. One Jerusalem is 'bellow' and one is 'above'.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
(bondage refers to the law of sin and death . . . the first covenant.)

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

(free refers to the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, which makes one free from the law of sin and death . . . the second covenant.)

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


1. The first covenant (is referred to in Galatians: 4 verses: 24 & 25 KJV N.T. above):

The law of sin and death is the first covenant which delivers one to the Jerusalem that is 'below'. This is the promise land of the Jews. This relate to people (including Jews) who continued to esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. The end of the law of sin and death is sin, death and delivery into hell inside the earth, with Satan. This is Jerusalem that is bellow.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
39 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans: 6 King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The first covenant is righteousness of God that is with the law. This is the law of sin and death. The above revelation confirms that the law of sin and death is a curse. The above revelations also confirm that, at all events, one who esteems, uses and promotes the law of sin and death, sins and is 'killeth . . . and always ends in hell inside the earth, with Satan. This made the first covenant a curse. And this made it necessary for a new covenant that is without the law of sin and death.

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; (this is the second covenant) :) and thank God.

2. The second covenant (is referred to in Galatians: 4 verse: 26 KJV N.T. above):

"The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death" is the new and other covenant.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death


This is righteousness of God that is without the law of sin and death. This new covenant delivers one to the Jerusalem that is above. This is the promise land of Christians.

The second covenant replaced the law of sin and death which is flawed and a curse. The law of sin and death, literally 'killeth' one and buries one inside the earth in hell with Satan . . . this the sad first covenant.

This second covenant relate to people (including Jews and Gentiles) who have been converted to Christianity. They have totally dropped the law of sin and death and instead, totally esteem, use and promote the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

3. The Jerusalem that is bellow is hell inside the depths of earth with Satan. This is the wages of the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death is simply a total curse.

4. The Jerusalem that is above is God's kingdom of heaven in spirit heaven and also God's kingdom of heaven on the surface of earth, in the fullness of time. This is the wages of the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.


Do you 'soweth' the old covenant (and boast about it, self-righteously) or do you 'soweth' the new covenant?

If you 'soweth' the Old covenant you will reap Jerusalem that is 'bellow'.

On the other hand, if you 'soweth' the New covenant you will reap Jerusalem that is 'above'.

Everyone is always free to exercise one's free will, regardless of one's I.Q..

A billion strong traditional are foolishly in bondage under the law of sin and death instead of being smartly under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Who do you guys believe is responsible for misleading a billion strong traditional Christians? Who are these false spying brethren and false prophets?

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into * bondage
(i.e. under the law of sin and death).

Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.


* Bondage relates to the law of sin and death. It relates to esteeming, using and promoting the law of sin and death and therefore being in bondage to uphold all the laws of sin and death perfectly. The following revelation confirm this fact:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of * bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


How many of you sad folks have been using (quoting) the law of sin and death to trap your spouses in loveless/Spiritless marriages and so justify your loveless/Spiritless marriages? People, falsely posing as Christians, seem to do this sinful thing, regularly and commonly.

They corruptly promote the false belief that 'believers' are under the law of sin and death. Fact is 'believers' are not under the law of sin and death. 'Believers' are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death . . . fact is these false Christians do not care anything about truth and scriptures. Their aim is to keep their spouses locked in and in servitude to them, any which way. In such unions only seriously doomed, children of the flesh are brought forth.

How many of you have used the law of sin and death in the slightest way and is therefore a debtor to do the whole law of sin and death and is not a Christian?

Seems that most everyone in the billion strong traditional Christianity is in this sad, very unfortunate and untenable predicament . . . and there is the total absence of humility and meekness. Instead they are boldly and aggressively promoting their Anti-Christian rhetoric as Christianity.

Matthew: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


No bold and brazed, 'law of sin and death esteeming' false Christian will inherit the earth.

James: 4 King James Version (KJV)
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
11 But that no man is justified by the law (of sin and death) in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


Faith is directly linked to the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus and therefore the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Only false prophets and false spying brethren will promote that both covenants are the same. The gospel of circumcision is righteousness of God that is with the law. The gospel of un-circumcision is righteousness of God that is without the law.

Traditional Christians have been misled by false prophets and false spying brethren all their lives.
 
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Gurucam

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A billion strong traditional Christians all foolishly, erroneously and corruptly believe and promote that 'believers' esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death.

The law of sin and death is the ten commandments. It is also called the law. It is a curse.

A billion strong traditional Christians all foolishly, erroneously and corruptly esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death under the equally foolish, erroneous and corrupt belief that they are 'believers' and therefore Christian.

They are all so foolishly, sadly and unfortunately misled and wrong.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of * bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


Fact is 'believers' are Christians. They are under law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. They actively transgress the law of sin and death so as to obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

The above is the God given justification of 'believers'. This is also totally supported by:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


1. A 'believer' is one who is under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. A 'believer' has God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law of sin and death.

When a 'believer' directly and deliberately transgress the law of sin and death so as to obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death he or she is glorified and blessed by God. And he or she brings forth only fruits onto God.

Also when a 'believer' dies he (or she) rises in his or her spirit body. He rises in three days to be like an angel, in heaven. He joins the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus in spirit heaven. Then he become destine by God to return to the surface of earth to inherit God's kingdom of heaven on surface of earth, in the fullness of time. All such people are saved, delivered and sheep.

2. The foolish ones who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death always accrue (get) sin and (spiritual) death. They also always bring forth only fruits onto death. Also when they die, they are always buried in the depths of earth with Satan. They are not 'believers'. They are simply 'the lost', 'the not chosen' and goats.

The serious limitation and blindness of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is that he is "not embarrassed" over new father.

In addition to this unfortunate circumstance, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, heads a church which seems to promotes that the law of sin and death is good and a part of Christianity . . . and this would be far far worse . . . for, if this is so, he is misleading many who are innocently and unsuspectingly seeking to be 'believers' and Christians.

If the above is true then, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, would be a big time, false spying false brethren and false prophet who is returning millions of innocent, unsuspecting aspiring Christians to bondage under the law of sin and death.

If the above is true, he would be deceiving people who are seeking to be 'believers' and Christians by falsely presenting himself to be Christian.

If Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is foisting the law of sin and death onto his charges, in the name of Christianity, he is not good. This means that he is actively delivering his charges unto guaranteed sin, spiritual death, and hell inside the depths of earth, with Satan. These are the wages and fruits of the law of sin and death.

Clearly if Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has not dropped the law of sin and death and embraced the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death he is an 'unbeliever'. He is definitely not an authentic 'believer' or a Christian. This leaves just one other thing that he can be.

The recent disclosure about the back ground of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is for your edification. It has surfaced under grace of God. It is meant to alert one and all about the previously hidden truth behind Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. It is not given for you or anyone else, to attempt a cover-up. It is given for you and everyone else to face up to truth, now, in the fullness of time or perish.

. . . the time to awaken is now, before too late is the cry. One billion traditional Christians are currently, seriously jeopardized. They have not found the straight gate and narrow way that leadeth unto life, everlasting:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


One billion traditional Christians are currently under the law of sin and death.

Note that life, everlasting is totally opposite to death . . . This is how peoplr end up. These ends (i.e. your 'death' or your 'life') are anchored by two totally different covenants.

The ten commandments is onto sin and death. This is only for 'unbelievers' and/or 'the dead who buries their dead'.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death give life eternal. This is for 'believers' and/or Christians.

These are two distinctly different covenants.

. . . oh foolish ones.
 
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genuineoriginal

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Fact is 'believers' are Christians. They are under law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. They actively transgress the law of sin and death so as to obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.
The Christians that heard truth from Jesus Himself had this to say:

1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.​


You forget that the covenant Christians are in also says this:

Hebrews 10:16
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;​


Stop saying Christians practice lawlessness.

Matthew 7:23 NASB
23 [JESUS]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’[/JESUS]​

 

Gurucam

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The Christians that heard truth from Jesus Himself had this to say:

1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.​

The way I discern it is that there are two covenants. One is about death and the other is about life.

1. The Lord reaffirmed the first covenant (the law of sin and death) that was onto death, for 'the dead'.

2. However the Lord Jesus also introduced the other covenant that is anchored on the Spirit of Truth (i.e. His Spirit). This new covenant giveth life. This second covenant is without law of sin and death. This is for spiritually aware people. This based on the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death


Therefore what you quoted above is only for those who are under the first covenant.

You are free to choose the one that make sense to you. Each person has God given free will to choose one of the two covenants, that he find wise.

If you chooses the law of sin and death, . . . then the law of sin and death is for you and . . . that is your covenant. You must be satisfied and happy with your choice and you covenant . . . and that is all O.K.

Do not grudge others their choice of the other covenant. Like you they have free choice to choose the other covenant.

I go with the other covenant (not the one you choose). Under this other covenant I get the benefit of Christ, Grace and life as confirmed in the following, KJV N.T. revelation:


Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of * bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Don't you want to benefit from Christ? If you choose, esteem, use and/or promote the law of sin and death in the slightest way you must uphold all the laws of sin and death perfectly . . . and Christ has benefited you nothing and you are not under Grace. Is this your choice?

At any event the law of sin and death was not given to Christians.

1. From the above, Christians are the chosen few who have dropped the law of sin and death and benefited from Christ, Grace and life, eternal.

2.
From the following, Christians are the chosen few who believe in the Lord Jesus. They have God given justification to do the things that the law of sin and death, forbid:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
. . . (this did not come through Paul)


The following confirms that there are two covenants. The first one is the law of sin and death and it is flawed. It was replaced with another one that is good.

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
. . . (this did not come through Paul)

For some foolish reason you choose the flawed covenant. Your choice is your free right. Go ahead, not one will stop you. However do not try to stop others from dropping that flawed covenant and embracing the new one. .
 
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genuineoriginal

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Each of us have God given free will for our use.

I go with the following:
Fornication and adultery are not sins when those who believe in the Lord Jesus and are led by His Spirit, does those things.

If you do not accept these teachings of Paul, then picking and choosing what you will accept from Paul will not do you any good.

1 Corinthians 5:1-2
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.​


Ephesians 5:3
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;​

 

Gurucam

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If you do not accept these teachings of Paul, then picking and choosing what you will accept from Paul will not do you any good.

1 Corinthians 5:1-2
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.​


Ephesians 5:3
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;​


I totally accept Paul's deliveries . . all of them, totally and completely.

Paul confirmed that those who believe in the Lord Jesus are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death


'Free from the law of sin and death' means just that, free from the law of sin and death.

In case you (in typical traditional Christian styling) do not like Paul, I added that the apostles support Paul's statement above. The apostles confirms that those who believe in the Lord Jesus are justified by God to do the things that were were forbidden under Moses law (i.e. the law of sin and death).

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


It is not like Paul is standing alone and making up his own thing, all by himself. In the above (and in all other things) the apostles totally support Paul. They literally say the same things, all the time.

Your are denying the Apostles. You are denying their revelation that those who believe in Jesus has God given justification to do the things that the law of sin and death forbid.

The above revelation from the Apostles, also confirm that you who esteem, use and promote Moses law does not believe in the Lord Jesus. The apostles confirm that you do not believe in the Lord Jesus. Seems that you are simply an old Moses-ian pretending to be Christian. And Paul is reconfirming what the apostles confirmed, in his revelation:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of * bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


There is no difference in the revelations of the apostles and Paul. You are getting the same things, very clearly and coherently, from the apostles and Paul.

. . . if you esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death, Christ has benefited you nothing and you are not under grace. You are totally dead and lost.

It is very simple. You are promoting that everyone must uphold Moses law. However the apostles confirm the very opposite. The apostles confirn that believers have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


Clearly you are a false prophet and a false spying brethren. You are simply masquerading as a 'believer'.

It is clear that 'believers' have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death. Whereas 'unbelievers' have no justification to transgress the law of sin and death.

You are not a believer because you do accept that:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


You simply want to stay under the law of sin and death and pretend and falsely project, that you are a believer. Believers know and accept the fact that they have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death. This revelation from the apostles is exactly the same revelation by Paul, in:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death


Clearly you are an evil, antichrist person. You are among the false spying brethren mentioned in:

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into * bondage
(i.e. under the law of sin and death).

Fact is you are what you are. Indeed revelations in the KJV N.T. have revealed what you are and so be it. My aim here is to shield innocent unsuspecting aspiring Christians from been misled by you (a proven false prophet) . . . this is why I engage you. You seem to have passed the point of no return.
 
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Gurucam

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Ephesians 5 King James Version (KJV)
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;


Saints are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which mades them free from the law of sin and death.

This means that they are not subjected to the law of sin and death, as unbelievers. As believers, they have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extra marital sex . . and so be it.

This means when they use the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus they get no sin when they do the things that were sinful under the law of sin and death.

Therefore the fornicating, adultery and extra marital sex of Saints are blessed by God and God glorifies Saints when they are led into these acts, by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. This is because those acts always bring forth only fruits onto God/children of God.

However, it seems that Saints can have lapses. If Saints (like fallen angels) fail to be led by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ and they fornicate, commit adultery and have extra marital sex. These acts are carnal, unclean and sinful.

Therefore your quote above is simply a warning to Saints to not fall from grace. That is not fall away from being under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death because if they do, then their fornication, adultery and extramarital sex will not be covered by God. It will be ordinary and carnal and earn them sin.

They are being told to not practice carnal fornication, carnal adultery and carnal extra marital sex (like those who are under the law inevitably do and bring forth only children of the flesh).

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.


However Saints can practice fornication, adultery and extra marital sex if they are led to do so by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which made them free from the law of sin and death.

This fornication, adultery and extra marital sex would not be carnal but blessed. This fornication, adultery and extra marital sex will bring forth only children of God.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter
(that we should bring forth fruit unto God)

The verse which you quoted cannot oppose Paul's other revelation which says:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of * bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


The verse which you quoted above is simply a warning to Saints to not go back under the law of sin and death . . . because if they do go back under the law of sin and death, when they fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex it will be carnal, sinful and bring them death and hell. And they will bring forth only children of the flesh (like Ishmael)

The verse which you quoted above is simply a warning to Saints to stay under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death. This will ensure that when they fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex, it will be under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death. Then their fornication, adultery and extramarital sex will be done under grace of God and they will get no sin but instead be glorified by God. And they will bring forth only children of God (like Issac).

The verse which you quoted above is simply a warning to to succumb to false spying brethren because if they do succumb to false spying brethren, then their fornication, adultery and extra marital sex will be carnal and sinful and not under grace of God and blessed:

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into * bondage
(i.e. under the law of sin and death).

 
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Gurucam

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. . . further support for post# 118 above.

Ephesians 5 King James Version (KJV)
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;


The above mentions "as becometh saints".

(Traditional Christians are foolish. They ignore these important qualifying phrases which must be fully recognized and totally considered. By doing so they totally misguide themselves.)

The question is:

What is fornication, adultery and extramarital sex as becometh unbelievers as compared to fornication, adultery and extramarital sex which becometh believers or Saints?

The apostles confirmed that 'believers' have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death (They are justified by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.):

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


Therefore, believers who are Saints have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex. No less than all the apostles confirm that believers who are Saints have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex.

The following is the difference between fornication, adultery and extramarital sex as becometh unbelievers as compared to fornication, adultery and extramarital sex which becometh believers or Saints:

1. Fornication, adultery and extramarital sex as becometh 'unbelievers' is done under the law of sin and death. This brings forth only children of the flesh and lead (or bring) everyone involved to sin, death and delivery to hell inside the earth with Satan. This is according to the first flawed covenant.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (i.e. children of the flesh, like Ishmael).


2. On the other hand fornication, adultery and extramarital sex as becometh 'believers' (i.e. saints) is done under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (which makes one free from the law of sin and death). This is according to the second covenant.

Fornication, adultery and extramarital sex under this Spirit based covenant bring forth only fruits onto God (i.e. children of God) and also brings everyone involved to Grace, glorification by God, eternal life and God kingdom of heaven.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter
(that we should bring forth fruit unto God, like Issac)

For those under the first flawed 'law based' covenant: fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is a sin. For those under the second and new 'Spirit based' covenant: fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is a blessing.

Therefore the revelation which you quoted is simply telling 'believers or saints to not esteem the law of sin and death because their fornication, adultery and extramarital sex will be sinful and lead to death and hell and they will bring forth only children of the fresh.

The opening revelation is also telling 'believers' or saints: be sure to stay under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes you free from the law of sin and death. And you will always be: blessed by God, under grace of God, be delivered into God's kingdom of heaven and bring forth only children of God. . . . this is the critical and literal message in Ephesians 5 verse: 3 of the King James Version N.T.
 
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genuineoriginal

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Therefore, believers who are Saints have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex.
You are mistaken.

1 Corinthians 10:5-8
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.​

 
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