Yeah, you're sure and they were...not so different.
...There are consequences in this life whether our sins are forgiven by grace or not.
I've never said there weren't. I've said that you're not in a position to know and should leave it to God. And I've said, argued and illustrated why rape will never be an instrument of the good.
What you're claiming is that when our sins are forgiven we can freely go on our merry way without consequences in this LIFE.
Too broad. The fellow who repents of sin isn't accountable for it, but if you repent of the murder you've committed the court isn't going to let you go.
Surely, as a lawyer, you can see the fallacy in that line of "reasoning".
I see the fallacy of what you're attempting.
you were trusting me to always agree with you, then, yes, you were wrong to trust me,
I trusted you to act like a friend and to differ like one. Instead you behaved like who you actually were and I learned a lesson from it. Now there's a consequence for both of us.
I'm quite sure you're game. You love talking. Unfortunately, I don't enjoy all this drivel.
I get this sort of thing often from people who want to establish a superiority and are irked by the level of my education. It's the next step after the "fancier words" gambit you used earlier. Reminds me of old man Potter talking about George's father and his "...man of high ideas,
so called" speech.
I don't really care to hear how sorry you feel for me and how disappointed you are in me.
How could you and not change something you're determined to hold onto?
I have better things to do with my time than listen to such nonsense. I can't stand that kind of "drama". I've had my fill of drama in this life.
Horrible the way everyone just keeps you here, talking about them and whatnot.
You're sorry that you can't "wound" me? Really? Surely you jest?
No, not even a little, but you have to understand the why and you're not interested in that, can't be and declaratively aren't, which I also noted. So it wouldn't mean anything to you.[
Do you think I should be so invested in myself and my self image that I can be wounded when I'm not thought of highly enough? That's very odd.
I think you are that demonstrably vested and what I'm speaking to is about a vesting in others. That's what wounds us. It's our care about someone and estimation of them that is wounded, not our pride.
I can and did read that into you. You have claimed you know what God will and will not allow
In the sense that someone who says "Thou shalt not murder" is doing it. Nothing more than that. Rape is a sin. Christ said a house divided won't stand. That settles the point for me. Evil will not do good and survive and the good likewise cannot remain itself and countenance evil. That's why we have a cross that was borne for us, not by us.
....just as humanists do. Even when Res showed you many examples that were clear as a bell that God had allowed all kinds of evil for His own purposes.
The devil can quote scripture. But he quotes it to his purpose.
And you were gutless when you left me unable to respond to your nonsense with you "closed thread". Your attempts to justify that were lame.
You're redefining the "gutless" now. Why? Because you first said it was gutless to talk about you to AB in this thread. Then when I noted you'd done as much you said it was different because I did it first. I noted that wasn't much of a virtue and then noticed you got even that part wrong, that you'd spoken of me first.
Now it's a new standard. Good grief. I don't respond in Quixote's anyway, which you know. I argue in the threads. Quixote's is a link to each thread discussed and a window to draw interest and/or entertain. If you don't care for it, as I've said prior, you aren't required to read it at all. Many don't. Many do. To each their own interest.
And if you don't want to be called a liar, then stop telling lies.
I haven't. That's why you're not quoting me and demonstrating it.
You make things up and attribute them to me by twisting my words.
It's very clever, but WRONG, nonetheless.
That's more of that problem I noted prior (see: fancy words). You only grant the "clever" to set up what's really important to you, declaring me WRONG.
You do understand that we live in this world.....that when we do something wrong there are consequences right here in this world, don't you?
I've spoken to that. What you mistake is the idea that those consequences (in this life) are just ones. They frequently aren't, as I've noted. No man escapes justice, except by grace, but not all men accept that in this life and many of them prosper, as with the rich man in hell desiring to warn others, after the fact of his life.
Don't count on saving grace to keep you from suffering consequences tomorrow and the next day and the next.
God has already literally saved me from more than one I'd earned. I don't expect Him to be a genie, but I do know that He can and will deliver more than merely salvation, that His sacrificial love and its manifestation as aid outside of that can be astounding.
This would make a great thread on its on.
My children learned that at an early age....what in God's name were you taught? :wazzup:
Now you're disparaging my upbringing for a joke? You paragon you.
Golly, I think you've been taking lessons from Bybee. That's good because I've picked up a few gems from her as well.
She's one of the only people here I've ever read say, upon consideration and in the midst of an argument, that she had reconsidered her position.
No. I am not the victim. I've never given you a reason to make that accusation in spite of your skill at twisting facts.
A thing you invented, repeated a few times and now advance as a given. That's an old trick.
Therefore, you're lying again.
I can't do again what I haven't done the first time.
Good job. The stripper is a victim, but not without guilt of her own.
Again, she bears no responsibility for the act of another. But she has her own sin to answer for and, absent grace, she will. Rape isn't that answering.
You and your fellow do gooders are not doing that stripper any good by telling her she did nothing to deserve the suffering that came upon her.
You and your pack of self-appointed judges are doing no good for anyone by suggesting that her violation was in some fashion of God, a punishment.
You'd rather LIE and say her suffering was ALL some other guy's fault.
You don't appear to know a lie from the truth. And you think you're fit to judge?
