Answering old threads thread

[Arthur Brain]

It's hard to take some of these people seriously, isn't it?

Preach raping your wife out of one side of their mouth and the gospel out of the other.

They have an absolute woeful ignorance of healthy relationship dynamics to put it mildly...

Setting aside the abhorrent force/rape aspect for a moment, who, if they truly loved their spouse, would be interested in having sex with them if they were unwilling anyway? This isn't just sex, it's a union, an intimate expression of love which is something special or it should be at least. It should be pleasurable sure but that would involve satisfying the partners needs in a truly loving relationship.

Some of this lot blatantly haven't got a clue.

 

[Derf]

Thanks for the sermon.

Funny how I didn't need one!

That's what most people say.
Matthew 7:14 (KJV) Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[ok doser]

That's what most people say.
Matthew 7:14 (KJV) Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Amen

 

[Derf]

Setting aside the abhorrent force/rape aspect for a moment, who, if they truly loved their spouse, would be interested in having sex with them if they were unwilling anyway?

Which is exactly what I said quite a few posts back.

 

[ok doser]

I'm not the least bit surprised you find it "boring" to be confronted by ...

Your misandry

Your refusal to understand that scripture is referring to both partners

I would advise you to pray on this, or to seek guidance from a spiritual advisor you trust

 

[Clete]

Same reason a person can be leave from the rubble of a collapsed building even though removal will mean the death of a person pinned next to them.

I ask again...

Why would it be okay to MURDER someone because their father was a rapist?

 

[Clete]

It's relevant as to whether a husband has a right to rape his wife, and whether she has a right to refuse him sex.

Any who would seriously entertain the question, "Does a husband have the right to rape his wife?" is at a level of stupity rivaled only by the moron who asked the question!

That seems to be what is being discussed here.

By idiots who wouldn't know what justice looked like if it walked up and gave then the slap across the face that they deserve.

Does a husband have the right to rape his wife? Either morally or legally? What say you.

As if it were a matter of opinion!

Rape is capital crime! There is no such thing as anyone having the right to rape!

DUH!

And this is a fact even within a marriage, as well as outside a marriage.
What it engenders will be anger, fear, hate, and loss of respect for any husband who claims he has the right to rape his own wife.

Stop. I don't want to. Ow that hurts. Quit. Get off me. Move your knee. You're hurting me. HELP. STOP. PLEASE. OH GOD.

The LUST OF THE FLESH.

Of course!

You really ought not even give anyone who disagrees or even questions the truth of that the time of day. It forfeits intellectual ground to them that they couldn't earn in a thousand life times.

 

[Arthur Brain]

That's what most people say.
Matthew 7:14 (KJV) Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Well, sure don't need to navigate around much to recognize that a husband or anyone else forcing sex onto another is abhorrent. Go preach to yourself.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Which is exactly what I said quite a few posts back.

I recall you saying something charmless along the lines of it wouldn't be satisfying to have sex with a motionless lump of flesh but you were hardly denouncing forced sex and you still seemed to think it was your right regardless. You changed your tune on that?

 

[ok doser]

Any who would seriously entertain the question, "Does a husband have the right to rape his wide?" is at a level of stupity rivaled only by the moron who asked the question!


By idiots who wouldn't know what justice looked like if it walked up and gave then the slap across the face that they deserve.


As if it were a matter of opinion!

Rape is capital crime! There is no such thing as anyone having the right to rape!

DUH!


Of course!

You really ought not even give anyone who disagrees or even questions the truth of that the time of day. It forfeits intellectual ground to them that they couldn't earn in a thousand life times.

In a Christian marriage, does a spouse have the right to deny sexual intimacy to their partner unilaterally?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Any who would seriously entertain the question, "Does a husband have the right to rape his wide?" is at a level of stupity rivaled only by the moron who asked the question!


By idiots who wouldn't know what justice looked like if it walked up and gave then the slap across the face that they deserve.


As if it were a matter of opinion!

Rape is capital crime! There is no such thing as anyone having the right to rape!

DUH!


Of course!

You really ought not even give anyone who disagrees or even questions the truth of that the time of day. It forfeits intellectual ground to them that they couldn't earn in a thousand life times.

No disagreement with the content here but some here actually have the level of stupidity to outright state that there's no such thing as rape in a marriage. They don't even acknowledge that a husband forcing his unwilling wife into sex counts as such. Stupefying for sure but it's there unfortunately.

 

[ok doser]

In a Christian marriage, does a spouse have the right to deny sexual intimacy to their partner unilaterally?

@Clete

It is my contention that the very concept of rape in a Christian marriage is an example of cognitive dissonance. Rape requires denial of consent. Unilateral denial of consent is prohibited in a Christian marriage. If you're talking about unilateral denial of consent, you're already talking about something other than a Christian marriage.

You might as well ask if a Christian husband has the right to corporally discipline his Christian wife if she has an abortion. The very terms Christian marriage and abortion are mutually exclusive.

 

[Derf]

I recall you saying something charmless along the lines of it wouldn't be satisfying to have sex with a motionless lump of flesh but you were hardly denouncing forced sex and you still seemed to think it was your right regardless. You changed your tune on that?

The forcing isn't the "right"--the sex is the "right", for either partner.
1 Corinthians 7:4 (KJV)
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

If I have power over her body, and she over mine, force isn't necessary nor desirable. The only time force would come into play is when that "power" over the other's body is withheld, which is a violation of marital vows, if not done with agreement from both parties. There is no such thing as "marital rape". It doesn't exist. Physical abuse certainly exists should be eschewed by all, but if for the purpose of engaging in intercourse, it's a reactionary crime, not an instigating crime. And you can't deal with the reaction without dealing with the instigation. If I shoot someone in self defense, it's not a crime. If I have sex with my extended body, it's not a crime.

But suicide (self murder) is (or at least the attempt), and so should be other types of self-harm--including harming one's spouse.

 

[Idolater]

In a Christian marriage, does a spouse have the right to deny sexual intimacy to their partner unilaterally?

Indefinitely?

 

[User Name]

It's hard to take some of these people seriously, isn't it?

Preach raping your wife out of one side of their mouth and the gospel out of the other.

The Groypers have taken over TOL:

Groypers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Arthur Brain]

The forcing isn't the "right"--the sex is the "right", for either partner.
1 Corinthians 7:4 (KJV)
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

If I have power over her body, and she over mine, force isn't necessary nor desirable. The only time force would come into play is when that "power" over the other's body is withheld, which is a violation of marital vows, if not done with agreement from both parties. There is no such thing as "marital rape". It doesn't exist. Physical abuse certainly exists should be eschewed by all, but if for the purpose of engaging in intercourse, it's a reactionary crime, not an instigating crime. And you can't deal with the reaction without dealing with the instigation. If I shoot someone in self defense, it's not a crime. If I have sex with my extended body, it's not a crime.

But suicide (self murder) is (or at least the attempt), and so should be other types of self-harm--including harming one's spouse.

"The sex is the right"?!

There's no "time where force would come into play" Derf, not in a loving relationship, not if you truly loved and cherished her. If you did so you would be raping your wife.

She is not your property and neither would you be hers. But if you were to do the above then you have not only treat your wife as an object for selfish sexual gratification you've violated a trust that would be in any mutual loving relationship and disgraced yourself in the process.

 

[JudgeRightly]

She is not your property and neither would you be hers.

False, on both counts.

 

[Derf]

She is not your property and neither would you be hers.

By whose decision? Yours? Since when do you make the rules? You say I can't give myself to my wife?

 

[ok doser]

By whose decision? Yours? Since when do you make the rules? You say I can't give myself to my wife?

I'm going to rely on God's Word

 

[Arthur Brain]

By whose decision? Yours? Since when do you make the rules? You say I can't give myself to my wife?

How about hers? If she says no to sex and you force yourself on her regardless despite her protestations then please explain what this "something else" is other than rape and also how such an act is somehow loving and cherishing your wife.