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Its all good,...surprised as we both are old timers here. I'm evolving........
Again, I only debate with, attempt to persuade, bible believers, of doctrinal issues, not bible correctors/agnostics/mystics, such as yourself.
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Its all good,...surprised as we both are old timers here. I'm evolving........
Again, I only debate with, attempt to persuade, bible believers, of doctrinal issues, not bible correctors/agnostics/mystics, such as yourself.
Again, I only debate with, attempt to persuade, bible believers, of doctrinal issues, not bible correctors/agnostics/mystics, such as yourself.
I wonder how much work you could do if you did, Saint John W. Would probably make them reconsider their sinful ways and repent.
No thanks. I've forgotten more than you know, most living people know, on the KJVO issue, and I laugh, at people like you, who send links, thinking I've never seen these bible rejecting con jobs.
Again, I only debate with, attempt to persuade, bible believers, of doctrinal issues, not bible correctors/agnostics/mystics, such as yourself.
Translation from Zeke: Here is the scripture, that says, we no longer have the scriptures.
Prove, Zekie, that "the originals" were "inerrant."
Wayne Lamar Harrington: Here is an error filled document(s), and I will use it/them, to correct other "non inerrant" versions/translations, to arrive at perfection.
Another couple of clowns, in a parade of clowns,trying to correct scriptures, with corrupt scriptures, to arrive at this "theoretical" inerrant scripture.
Tell all of TOL, Zekie, how you would know that you were reading from the perfect, pure, right, sure, by definition, word of God? Well?
Zekie/Wayne Lamar Harrington:I do not believe in grass, but prove to me that it is green.
I've learned to ignore Jethro Bodine types, bible correctors/mystics/agnostics, like Zekie/Wayne Lamar Harrington, and only engage bible believers.
Poor Elmer Fudd Zekie.
I'm sorry for you. I have entered into His REST.
When I believed the Gospel, I was crucified with Christ. Nothing to do with my being "willing to die" or "losing my life". It was totally and completely an operation of God. Which is why we call it Salvation by Grace....God's Grace through the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ. God's Grace because of HIS obedience unto death (real death - not spiritual death).
Colossians 2:11-13
11-13 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Clearly you don't know that He is Risen. :nono:
What you don't realise, is that the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, is death to self. It's having the ways of the flesh cut away and buried when we are baptised of the Spirit and as we are brought to life in God
And once we are dead to self we are buried with him in baptism being raised by the power of the Spirit, dead to self and our old life buried and brought from death to life by the power of the Spirit.
All of those verses are speaking of death to self and being raised with Christ.
And I do know he's risen, because I know that he's risen in me, and I know that my old life is gone and Christ is living through me, that I'm buried with Christ and he's helping me to overcome my flesh daily by the power of the Spirit.
Without God, I couldn't do what I'm doing, there's no way I could overcome. I'm a totally different person to what I was. I'm definitely dead to my old self, and that's only thanks to the living God and Christ Jesus.
I probably don't realize it because it's not what Paul says. Clearly you like to make scripture say what you think it says, instead of what it does say. :chuckle:
Paul tells us we are dead to sin. This is not an exhortation of what we must do, but of what has been done for us by the operation of God. Believe it, and you won't be having to pretend like you're being helped to do what Jesus Christ has already done.
Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Wayne Lamar Harrington's dismantling of the Acts conversion of Paul compared to Galatians shows the inerrant stance is built on error like Acts Pauline conversion-.
Now if John wants to play scriptural bouncer he should be able to quickly dismantle Wayne's argument against his KJV inerrant claims.
Others are looking forward to that endeavor being accomplished.
And I agree with those verses, but you need to read Romans 6:2 again, it says how shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein. In other words once we are dead to sin, we should be turning from sin, not carry on wilfully sinning thinking we are saved regardless. We should be dead to our old life, and be born anew, living our lives to please the living God.
If we are dead to sin, then we will live daily by the will of God. Dead to sin is dead to self. And death to self means that we are put to death by power of the Spirit who helps us to turn from sin, being also quickened and brought to life, raised with Christ
And those who are dead to sin turn from sin and obey God.
And those who truly follow Jesus, live how he taught us to, and they live how he did and live right before God.
Others have a right to the information to research it for themselves and draw their own conclusions, hence the sharing. Dr. James White I believe summarizes the KJV-Only issue amply
Well thats mighty special of you.
My original address to your charge holds here.
And I agree with those verses, but you need to read Romans 6:2 again, it says how shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein. In other words once we are dead to sin, we should be turning from sin, not carry on wilfully sinning thinking we are saved regardless. We should be dead to our old life, and be born anew, living our lives to please the living God.
If we are dead to sin, then we will live daily by the will of God. Dead to sin is dead to self. And death to self means that we are put to death by power of the Spirit who helps us to turn from sin, being also quickened and brought to life, raised with Christ
And those who are dead to sin turn from sin and obey God.
And those who truly follow Jesus, live how he taught us to, and they live how he did and live right before God.
The great paper worshiping saint John...
hasn't figured out Psalm 40:6 or 2Cor 3:6 yet, if you had you would know where the spiritual law and text is written.
I knew you wouldn't touch the Acts conversion con with the Galatians version from Paul himself, seeing the whole mid acts theory would fall into a dark pile of false teaching that it is.
Moonbeams.Just because something is in the Bible does not make it true, neither does the Bible contain the totality or finality of truth, since no religious book could, although some books are more useful than others.
I'm baffled that anyone cant see that Paul while figuratively teaching being 'dead to sin' by some identification with Christ, ALSO IMPLIES that such an event is then needed to be APPLIED to one's life, in order that this death to sin is a reality, so that one could then walk in the Spirit and DO the Will of God. That in fact is HOW you crucify the flesh. I mean, isnt that the whole friggin point? I mean gadzooks. - if you dont believe that, and that this 'God' of the book STILL commands his people to be 'holy' as he is 'holy', then all you believe is an intellectual concept that by just some easy believism or confession you can have salvation by some process of hypothetical 'osmosis' or faith-magic, and that gives you a free ticket to Paradise. I mean, this stuff is really mind-blowing.
In this case, James teaching excels Paul's, because it represents the complete picture of faith and works, and is most accordant to logic and reason, since no matter what kind of soteriology you propose...it still holds that "faith without works is dead". Faith is essential yes, but it is only efficacious when it produces ACTION, and when YOU as a branch of the living vine, begin to bear Christ-fuits! Again, this stuff is mind-boggling......
And those who truly follow Jesus, live how he taught us to, and they live how he did and live right before God.
No thanks. I've forgotten more than you know, most living people know, on the KJVO issue, and I laugh, at people like you, who send links, thinking I've never seen these bible rejecting con jobs.
Prove "Originals Only-ism," "Errors Only-ism."
Another bible corrector/agnostic/mystic,in contrast to a bible believer, is exposed.
Thanks for the concession speech.
Then your faith is in yourself. That's the same problem the Jews had. :chew:
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: